Philip IV of France, grandsons

If Philip IV's sons had had sons, would the hundred years war still have occurred? And if it had done so, would it have merely come about because of English claims within French land, rather than them having a claim on the actual throne?
 
If any of Philip IV's sons had a son of his own, we would have avoided the Hundred Years War, there is no question about it. You would need an incredible amount of bad luck for the HYW to still happen despite Philip IV having several grandsons.

The presence of grandsons could butterfly salic law but even by following male-preference primogeniture, the order of succession to Philippe IV would go like this:

Louis X the Quareller
son(s) of Louis X
daughter(s) of Louis X
Philippe V the Tall
son(s) of Philippe V
daughter(s) of Philippe V
Charles IV the Fair
son(s) of Charles IV
daughter(s) of Charles IV
Isabella, Queen of England
son(s) of Isabella
daughter(s) of Isabella
Charles of Valois

There are quite of lot people who would need to die before a potential successoral war between France and England. Or lucky marriages between the heirs of both crowns.

That being said, there could still be conflicts between France and England over Aquitaine/Guyenne, since the King of England was technically a vassal of the king of France for these lands.
 
If any of Philip IV's sons had a son of his own, we would have avoided the Hundred Years War, there is no question about it. You would need an incredible amount of bad luck for the HYW to still happen despite Philip IV having several grandsons.

The presence of grandsons could butterfly salic law but even by following male-preference primogeniture, the order of succession to Philippe IV would go like this:

Louis X the Quareller
son(s) of Louis X
daughter(s) of Louis X
Philippe V the Tall
son(s) of Philippe V
daughter(s) of Philippe V
Charles IV the Fair
son(s) of Charles IV
daughter(s) of Charles IV
Isabella, Queen of England
son(s) of Isabella
daughter(s) of Isabella
Charles of Valois

There are quite of lot people who would need to die before a potential successoral war between France and England. Or lucky marriages between the heirs of both crowns.

That being said, there could still be conflicts between France and England over Aquitaine/Guyenne, since the King of England was technically a vassal of the king of France for these lands.

Hmm very true, I do remember reading somewhere that the root cause of the HYW was more to do with Edward III worrying over his french possessions, and then he only used his claim to the throne, after a brief period.
 
Hmm very true, I do remember reading somewhere that the root cause of the HYW was more to do with Edward III worrying over his french possessions, and then he only used his claim to the throne, after a brief period.
You are still going to see war break out between England and France due to the French possessions.
 
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