The Kingdom of Kongo's Catholicism was quite syncretic and rather fading by the 19th century, but seeing as how Portugal claimed the area after the Conference of Berlin (which did not happen until 1885!), any few survivors who don't head for Brazil may go there. Though I wonder how many will remain seeing as how most were wiped out by tsunami. Also see here.
Peshawar Wars Redux: Africa
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The Portuguese royal family was likely in Lisbon and when that tidal wave hit they died along with their nation. I could accept survival if you have historical evidence that they were somewhere else at the time and not in a threatened area.
There may be farflung heirs or relatives but yeah personally I think most of them would head to Brazil instead of the Kongo.
Though what we could have is that some head to the African colonies and later on, Brazil sends settlers there as well...
Though what we could have is that some head to the African colonies and later on, Brazil sends settlers there as well...
Possible. Of course I was kind of hoping for the neo-Vikings...er Norwegian refugees making their new home in Angola. (Now that would be a bizarre culture: Norwegian, Portuguese, and African.)
Given that Portugal was heavily damaged, I think Brazil will get Angola (and maybe more colonies), because of the dinastic and linguistic relations between Brazil and Portugal, unless the Crown of Portugal (and remaining population, territoties and assets) passes to one of the thesetwoprincesses, sisters of Luis I.
Yes, but does Brazil at this time have the power projection to claim them, and keep them?
And if they are going to be attempting to dominate SA or they going to have the resources to hang onto Angola, Mozambique, East Timor, Macau, etc.?
With the weakling of the major Powers Brazil might have the ability to control Portugal's colonies in Africa but I would doubt that they would be able to do anything regarding the colony in China and The colony that was located in territory controlled by the Dutch would probably end up under Dutch control.
In case there is a vaccum of power, Brazil can hold onto Angola, claim Sao tome and Cape Verde (and if need be Madeira and Azores). They might be able to claim Mozambique, but more distant territories, would be extremely difficult at this point.
I think South Africa is ideally located (good climate and soils) to receive a large proportion of British refugees (and British allies, when they don't have colonies to relocate).
I wonder if Abyssinia would really be a great power. In the book the Raj and France were only talking about rebuilding the Suez Canal, plus the Raj has Aden and probably some sort of alliance with Egypt but the Caliphate is also present so there's still plenty of conflict that Abyssinia could take advantage of.
Things may change but the country lacked any kind of industrial base. The educational system was primitive to say the least. A British Expedition against the country in the 1860's crush the countries military. It will be lucky to keep the Sudanese Muslim fundamentalist out of the country. Thus it is doubtful that it would have the means to become a major power in the future as it is caught between powers.
I agree with you. However, with the events surrounding the fall, Ethiopia is suddenly granted the freedom to focus on its own affairs without much outside interference. Eritrea, Dijubuti, and Somali will be about the least of the concerns for Britain, France, and Italy for the next 50-100 years.
Provided Ethiopia continues to get a steady stream of strong Emperors, one could conceivably see Ethiopia centralizing, Amharizing more of its population, and securing control of the horn of Africa. Becoming a great power is unlikely given its lack of an industrial base, social hierarchy, and illiteracy. However with governmental reforms and 150 years of development it could become a 2nd tier power.
About the horn though, one shall not forget the Zanzibaris.
I agree a decent chance lies there for the Ethiopians to gain Eritrea and Djibuti, maybe even Somaliland, but for the eastern Somalia, I'd suspect the Zanzibaris will get it first.
Though just to nitpick, that a better Ethiopia doesn't mean a better Africa over all. More organized native polities existing in Africa, with more socio-economico-politically relevant borders(caused by much less European colonization) though, means a better Africa. East Africa will surely be better off ITTL, if will still be subordinated by the Raj....
I think that Ethiopia has a slight chance of dominating the Horn of Africa. Even with the demise of the European Powers it must deal with the threat from the Mardi and subdue the native tribes in the surrounding territory. It must also build its own weapons and technology. This would be extremely difficult since in the late 1860's the British mounted an expedition against the country and crushed the Ethiopian Army. So the best that ould be hoped for was it would remain a regional player.