Peshawar Lancers Redux: East Asia
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Japan might make some gains, but I think that without a doubt some form of a chinese state is going to exist. Whether that state is stable or not is the issue...
Obviously, we've got the Angrezi Raj taking up SEAsia, though I always wondered: Were the Irish that were evacuated all placed in the same area or different ones? Somehow the idea of an Irish-influenced island within the Raj could be various interesting. Easter rising in the East Indies!
Obviously, we've got the Angrezi Raj taking up SEAsia, though I always wondered: Were the Irish that were evacuated all placed in the same area or different ones? Somehow the idea of an Irish-influenced island within the Raj could be various interesting. Easter rising in the East Indies!
Recopied thoughts on the Siamese War:
The book makes allusions to "Siamese Wars"- I'm not sure what they were about, so I've decided to make up a history.
The First Siamese War was fought in order to gain a sphere of influence of the nation against the Nipponese, and the Second Siamese War was fought in order to preserve it. Siam basically owns Laos and Kampuchea, as in OTL, whilst the Raj claims Laos, Cambodia and some other regions for France-outre-mere (in order to have happy relations, and all that). Those regions are currently under Dai-Nippon's rule, due to wins from after SWII, while the Raj annexed western OTL Thailand from the traitorous Thai.
Aside from that, Siam is doing quite well, as in OTL, playing off the colonizers against each other whilst absorbing trade and technology from both. It has begun to emerge as a potent, modernized independent buffer state, unless a third SW wipes it out. It'll probably become a client state like Madagascar under the Raj, or maybe Dai-Nippon's first actual satellite (as opposed to conquered territory for assimilation).
Ivan Druzhkov's original map also made allusions to a Kingdom of Indochina, but I think they might either be Dai-Nippon, British, or Siamese territory.
The book makes allusions to "Siamese Wars"- I'm not sure what they were about, so I've decided to make up a history.
The First Siamese War was fought in order to gain a sphere of influence of the nation against the Nipponese, and the Second Siamese War was fought in order to preserve it. Siam basically owns Laos and Kampuchea, as in OTL, whilst the Raj claims Laos, Cambodia and some other regions for France-outre-mere (in order to have happy relations, and all that). Those regions are currently under Dai-Nippon's rule, due to wins from after SWII, while the Raj annexed western OTL Thailand from the traitorous Thai.
Aside from that, Siam is doing quite well, as in OTL, playing off the colonizers against each other whilst absorbing trade and technology from both. It has begun to emerge as a potent, modernized independent buffer state, unless a third SW wipes it out. It'll probably become a client state like Madagascar under the Raj, or maybe Dai-Nippon's first actual satellite (as opposed to conquered territory for assimilation).
Ivan Druzhkov's original map also made allusions to a Kingdom of Indochina, but I think they might either be Dai-Nippon, British, or Siamese territory.
Japan might make some gains, but I think that without a doubt some form of a chinese state is going to exist. Whether that state is stable or not is the issue...
Obviously, we've got the Angrezi Raj taking up SEAsia, though I always wondered: Were the Irish that were evacuated all placed in the same area or different ones? Somehow the idea of an Irish-influenced island within the Raj could be various interesting. Easter rising in the East Indies!
Ireland bore the brunt of the tsunami that struck the Isles. Ireland absorbed so much of the wave that it shielded the British fleet in Western England. If the waves reached the Appalachians in the New World, Ireland likely got flooded entirely, with only 1 or 2 survivors on the West coast, and major flooding as the wave washed over the center into the East. But then, I could have horribly underestimated Ireland's elevation.
Something to consider as possible option. Some criminal organizations will rise to become political powers while, some political forces will be forced to become criminal organizations. In Italy, the collapse of a centralized government could allow the Mafia to take control in Sicily, Camorra in Naples, Sacra Corona Unita in Apulia, and 'Ndrangheta in Calabria. Naša Stvar criminal organization can take over in Serbia. Binh Xuyen was a series of pirates that terrorized Indochina in OTL.
In Italy, there is also the legendary Beati Paoli which would act against the efforts of the Church and the State.
Conversely, consider that you can also have the British Royal Navy or French Foreign Legion, without a port to call a permanent home, or a government to provide a steady paycheck, many military personnel will be transformed either into pirates and/or mercenaries. This certainly allows for the characters to maintain a nationalist trait, yet dispersed across the world. This adds the pulp tone of Pirates of the Carribean or the anarchic feel of the When Gravity Fails by George Alec Effinger....
In Italy, there is also the legendary Beati Paoli which would act against the efforts of the Church and the State.
Conversely, consider that you can also have the British Royal Navy or French Foreign Legion, without a port to call a permanent home, or a government to provide a steady paycheck, many military personnel will be transformed either into pirates and/or mercenaries. This certainly allows for the characters to maintain a nationalist trait, yet dispersed across the world. This adds the pulp tone of Pirates of the Carribean or the anarchic feel of the When Gravity Fails by George Alec Effinger....
I know that much, but what I am talking about is the concept of criminal organizations such as the Chinese Tongs and/or pirate organizations like the Binh Xuyen becoming "de-facto" governments. They already have a grassroots newtork for support, and there is a historical precedent for such actions taking place....
For China, the Tongs include the Hop Sing Tong, Ying On Tong, On Leong Tong, Bing Kong Tong, et al. associations. Along with an assortment of warlords, they could be the power base of any regime in China. In Korea, you have the Kkangpae. As before, this adds a pulp/anarchist spin to the ATL....
Southeast Asia and Indonesia could be like the the Hutt space in the Star Wars galaxy: de jure controlled by the (Japanese) Empire, de facto controlled by pirates and smugglers.... that would be awesome!
Now I see what you're saying. If anything, the Tongs are stronger in China than the Mafia in Italy. They have more people to hide among, and more land to escape from authorities into. Maybe Dai-Nippon is too administratively weak to control some of the Northern border provinces and those are just Tong feudal states?
That's precisely what I am thinking. Along with "pirate havens" in Southeast Asia, the Pacific Rim can become pretty seedy and corrupt. Also think of Mynanmar/Burma, wherein a defacto clique of generals runs the government, while the drug lords of that country control the people and economy....
Also consider the history of the Opium Wars in the region. This could explain why some expatriate European communities exist after the fall. Many European and American businesses participated in the narcotics trade, in an effort to control the populace.
"Down there is the city of Bangkok. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy..."Southeast Asia and Indonesia could be like the the Hutt space in the Star Wars galaxy: de jure controlled by the (Japanese) Empire, de facto controlled by pirates and smugglers.... that would be awesome!
Why do I imagine a bunch of Tibetan monks fleeing Dai-Nippon after a purge of them...?I can just here the Star Wars cantina music in a Southeast Asian bar.
An extremely hairy "Scottish" merchant who noone save his good friend understands.How good are they with swords?
And where do we get our Chewbacca equivalent?
...Are we honestly thinking this through?
You can easily say Shaolin monks, and they will have martial arts on their side....
No, I'm just pointing out the fact that we could really milk the Star Wars parallels... the Evil (Japanese) Empire, martial arts masters=jedi/sith, pirates, gangsters, smugglers... this could be fucking awesome!An extremely hairy "Scottish" merchant who noone save his good friend understands.
...Are we honestly thinking this through?
With the Shaolin monks of China, they were often the subject of violent reprisals by the Japanese military in OTL. Also consider that martial arts (esp. Kung-fu) were strictly prohibited by colonial authorities and by teachers who prevented foreigners from being taught until the 1960s in OTL....No, I'm just pointing out the fact that we could really milk the Star Wars parallels... the Evil (Japanese) Empire, martial arts masters=jedi/sith, pirates, gangsters, smugglers... this could be fucking awesome!