Personal Union Challenge

EDIT: About your suggested scenario, I have a question. Why did the Consell de Cent elect Peter as their king, rather than Afonso V or his brother, Ferdinand of Viseu, who are John's nephews?

Because they considered that his claim came from his mother, Isabella of Urgell, who was the daughter of James II, count of Urgell, the last male descendant of the House of Barcelona. It means they were so angry with John II that they not only decided that he could not reign, but that his entire dynasty (the Trastamaras) were usurpers and should be replaced by a new dynasty. Remember that the nomination of Peter wasn't an Aragonese decision, but a Catalan one. In the election that led to the compromise of Caspe, two of the three Catalan delegates voted for James of Urgell for king, instead of Ferdinand of Castile.

However, I think the scenario suggested by Maniakes is better (after all, Peter didn't have the military strenght OTL to beat John II). You just need to solve the complications it would create for the Castilian succession too.
 
Because they considered that his claim came from his mother, Isabella of Urgell, who was the daughter of James II, count of Urgell, the last male descendant of the House of Barcelona. It means they were so angry with John II that they not only decided that he could not reign, but that his entire dynasty (the Trastamaras) were usurpers and should be replaced by a new dynasty. Remember that the nomination of Peter wasn't an Aragonese decision, but a Catalan one. In the election that led to the compromise of Caspe, two of the three Catalan delegates voted for James of Urgell for king, instead of Ferdinand of Castile.

However, I think the scenario suggested by Maniakes is better (after all, Peter didn't have the military strenght OTL to beat John II). You just need to solve the complications it would create for the Castilian succession too.

Thanks for the info. So, I guess Maniakes did win this challenge. Maniakes, feel free to suggest your challenge!
 
How about a marriage between Sancho III of Castile and Eleanor of Aquitaine?

That seems like it would work. Sancho III married about a year before Eleanor's OTL annulment, so it wouldn't take much fiddling to get the timeline to line up, and Sancho seems like what he brings to the table as a suitor would be comparable to Henry Plantagenet (King of Castile with a claim on Leon and the title of "Emperor of All Spain" vs heir to the County of Anjou with a claim on Normandy and England).

ATA88, your next challenge?
 
That seems like it would work. Sancho III married about a year before Eleanor's OTL annulment, so it wouldn't take much fiddling to get the timeline to line up, and Sancho seems like what he brings to the table as a suitor would be comparable to Henry Plantagenet (King of Castile with a claim on Leon and the title of "Emperor of All Spain" vs heir to the County of Anjou with a claim on Normandy and England).

ATA88, your next challenge?

Kingdom of Majapahit and Kingdom of Sunda
 
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I feel like the personal union is pretty much a European thing. Are there any non-European examples?
 
Have a marriage between crown princess Kusumawardhani and Niskala Wastu Kancana, letting the Sunda Kingdom be an autonomous vassal of the Majapahit Empire.

That's quite interesting... But, would Sunda agreed to that marriage? This was not long after the Battle of Bubat after all. Can Hayam Wuruk convince Mangkubumi Suradipati that Niskala would NOT suffer the same fate as Dyah Pitaloka?
 
That's quite interesting... But, would Sunda agreed to that marriage? This was not long after the Battle of Bubat after all. Can Hayam Wuruk convince Mangkubumi Suradipati that Niskala would NOT suffer the same fate as Dyah Pitaloka?
Hayam Wuruk wouldn't be the matriarch of the marriage, it would be princess Kusumawardhani herself after Hayam's death. Maybe Niskala could see this as a way to gain power within the empire?
 
Hayam Wuruk wouldn't be the matriarch of the marriage, it would be princess Kusumawardhani herself after Hayam's death. Maybe Niskala could see this as a way to gain power within the empire?

Would Hayam Wuruk let his heiresss unmarried until his death? Unless Hayam Wuruk died early, IMHO Kusumawardhani would be married when her father was still alive.
 
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Would Hayam Wuruk let his heiresss unmarried until his death? Unless Hayam Wuruk died early, IMHO Kusumawardhani would be married when her father was still alive.
Kusumawardhani was married to her cousin Wikramawardhana at the time of Hayam's death. If Wikramawardhana died from natural cause or human cause. That would leave Kusumawardhani un-married.
 
Kusumawardhani was married to her cousin Wikramawardhana at the time of Hayam's death. If Wikramawardhana died from natural cause or human cause. That would leave Kusumawardhani un-married.

So, Kusumawardhani married Niskala after Wikramawardhana died... that sounds possible. How would Wirabhumi and his supporters fared against the combined might of Sunda and Kusumawardhani's supporters?

BTW, I guess you win this challenge, since nobody else suggest anything. Feel free to guve your challenge, Shinsu!
 
So, Kusumawardhani married Niskala after Wikramawardhana died... that sounds possible. How would Wirabhumi and his supporters fared against the combined might of Sunda and Kusumawardhani's supporters?
Wirabhumi lost in the Paregreg-war. Not so sure if he would openly insight the civil war however if Sunda was added to the Western courts weight.

BTW, I guess you win this challenge, since nobody else suggest anything. Feel free to guve your challenge, Shinsu!
The Seljuk Sultanate and the Ghaznavid Sultanate during Mas'ud I reign or Mohammad Ghaznavi reign.
 
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