Persian Siberia?

I've seen plenty of threads asking about a Chinese Siberia and how it was much easier for the Russians then it would be for the Chinese due to mountain ranges and directions of interest. Persia however seems like if it managed to take control of Central Asia it would be in a good spot to control Siberia. Still, I would like to check what everyone else thinks.
 
I've seen plenty of threads asking about a Chinese Siberia and how it was much easier for the Russians then it would be for the Chinese due to mountain ranges and directions of interest. Persia however seems like if it managed to take control of Central Asia it would be in a good spot to control Siberia. Still, I would like to check what everyone else thinks.

I'm afraid I can't agree with your position. They might be able to take control of a few parts of Central Asia, and perhaps the Caucasus, but Siberia is either going to be Russian or Chinese.
 

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I've seen plenty of threads asking about a Chinese Siberia and how it was much easier for the Russians then it would be for the Chinese due to mountain ranges and directions of interest. Persia however seems like if it managed to take control of Central Asia it would be in a good spot to control Siberia. Still, I would like to check what everyone else thinks.

If the Khwarezm Shahdom had been competently led in the Mongol Invasion, it is more than likely they would have won due to superior numbers and technology and kill Genghis as well leaving a power vaccum they could have exploited north.

That would have met this op's premise.

Another is if Queen Tomyris had either accepted Cyrus's offer of Marriage or had been defeat by Cyrus, then you would also have this Op met as Cyrus would then go north.

Another Possibility is if the Qajars had managed to successfully Industrialize and go on to defeat Russia and expand north.
 
Toynbee played with this idea in his Study of History. He suggested that had Tamerlane continued fighting the Steppe Nomabs instead of turning against Persia, then today Transoxania "might form part of a political unit similar in extent to the present Soviet Union, but - - an Iranic Empire in which Samarkand would be ruling Moscow instead of Moscow ruling Samarkand".
 
Well theres the problems of massively smaller populations than Russia or China, the threat of attack from either of the former, the very different economic factors and techniques to make Siberia useful, all make it pretty unlikely.

As too Samarkind ruling Moscow, controlling Siberia really gives a state very little power. It was useful to Russia as a source of furs, a way to reach the far east, and a nice protected space to the east, but Russia power always came from the Volga valley. A central asian or Iranian polity is going to have to find power from somewhere other than Siberia.

Finally theres always the problem with successful central Asian states - Northern India is just too sweet and easily accessible prize to divert resources to Siberia.
 
Well the Scythians were an Iranian tribal people. So, if they can survive on the Steppes and not be pushed out/absorbed by the rival Turkic tribes, they might be in a position to eventually form a stable state. From there they could certainly expand into Siberia.
So, you'd end up with an Iranian Siberia, but certainly not a Persian one ...
 
I think the best prospects for a Persianized Siberia would be to have the Golden Horde defeat/destroy the Russian principalities to its northwest (though not Novgorod), and begin an expansion eastward.
 
I think the best prospects for a Persianized Siberia would be to have the Golden Horde defeat/destroy the Russian principalities to its northwest (though not Novgorod), and begin an expansion eastward.

The Golden Horde was Tatar, not Persian.
 
I've seen plenty of threads asking about a Chinese Siberia and how it was much easier for the Russians then it would be for the Chinese due to mountain ranges and directions of interest. Persia however seems like if it managed to take control of Central Asia it would be in a good spot to control Siberia. Still, I would like to check what everyone else thinks.

That infamous battle where Cyrus the Great met his end at the hands of Queen Tomyris has a different outcome. Tomyris is defeated, but roughly half of her army survives. A great cat-and-mouse game ensues, with Cyrus chasing Tomyris northwest until they reach a great lake. Tomyris and her army is finally defeated on the shores of this lake, with Cyrus personally beheading the captured Queen after the battle.

Cyrus founds a garrison on the shores of this lake. Cyrus was well known for his hubris, and he hoped this garrison would mark the northern extremity of the Persian Empire. And for a few decades it was. However, the climate and distance proved too much of a burden, and it would be abandoned during the reign of Cambyses II. [/likely plot-holed story]
 
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