Peninsular Campaign Succedes

Among other things, a successful Peninsular Campaign would have require a more aggressive and capable commanding general. George B. McClellan was a superb organizer, and very charismatic, but he was also very timid and in many instances more cautious than he should have been. Caution is good, but to win battles and win a war, some daring is required.

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That would be the Peninsular War, not the Peninsular Campaign.

I wish I could mind control McClellan through time, but African-Americans might have cause to regret it.
 
Suppose the peninsular campaign succedes, Richmond is taken, and the CSA collapses, would slavery be abolished? I think if victory comes at any time before Lincoln comes up with the idea of the Emancipation Proclomation or even before it is implemented slavery just might not be abolished anytime soon.

If you disagree tell me how it is done.

Damn, I thought it was about Napoleon and Spain when I read the title.
 

katchen

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Garibaldi in place of McCllelan?

Check out( opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/bully-for-garibaldi/ ). Apparently, Giuseppe Garibaldi was offered a commission of Major General in the Union Army back in 1861. Garibaldi said that he would accept IF he could be General of all Union Armies and if Lincoln would turn the war into a crusade against slavery. Lincoln declined until of course 1863, and by then,Garibaldi wasn't interested.
But perhaps it could have worked, had Lincoln agreed to Garibaldi's terms (or Seward, who might have pursued a war against slavery at the outset, especially if it could lead to a crusade that would mean American expansion to the Caribbean and possibly even Brazil --which was what Garibaldi ultimately had in mind). Because Garibaldi was the kind of bold general that Lincoln wanted and needed--and would bring with him a great many volunteers from Italy and elsewhere in Europe.
I suspect that Garibaldi could have won the Peninsular Campaign--or done somehing else to take Richmond a lot earlier than it fell. He was that good and that charismatic. Moreover, I suspect that part of the reason McCllelan didn't win a decisive battle against the Confederacy in the South--why he held back---is that McCllelan didn't want to win such a victory. McCllelan's military maneuvers were as much political as military and culminated in his run for the White House in 1864. It suited McCllelan to build up the South into an anemy that needed to be negotiated with rather than militarily defeated. Perhaps McCllelan feared the overwhelming federal and corporate power that has already come to pass unless the South was negotiated with as an equal and permitted to remain in the Union with ironcald guarantees for slavery. For McCllelan to press his advantage and win the war, at least in Virginia would have been to doom this cause and his own prospects (which as it turned out were doomed anyway by Southern collapse in 1864).
Lincoln was finally right about slavery needing to go for the Union to win the war. I believe that if Lincoln had come to that conclusion much earlier, he could have had Garibaldi, a quicker end to the Civil War and qute possibly American states in the Caribbean and South America.
Which raises another question. Given the constraints that Lincoln was dealing with, could Lincoln have found any other general in Europe or Latin America to help buide the Uhion Army to victory? Were there any other potential candidates? Were other potential candidates deterred by Lincon's initial stance on slaverY?
 
-McClellan still gets bogged down but is much closer to Richmond
-Confederates forced to pull troops from Western Theater to defend Richmond
-Union goes on offensive down Mississippi and takes the entire river 9 months ahead of schedule with control of most of Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and central/western Tennessee by opening of 1863
-Richmond evacuated as Union army closes in, heads for Atlanta as new capital
-Union army reclaims whole of Virginia and western Virginia before latter becomes a separate state, moving south into eastern Tennessee it creates a State of Franklin based out of Knoxville and establishes bases for a move into Georgia
-Confederacy forced to fight on plains of Carolinas and valleys in northern Georgia but realizes that without the Shenandoah Valley their position is hopeless, especially without industrial resources of Virginia
-Confederacy offers terms in early 1863 but they are refused, war drags on into late 1863 with EP being announced at (insert battle site here) following (insert battle here)
-Atlanta scene of grand siege, city is literally destroyed, Macon becomes de facto economic capital of Georgia as railways are rerouted there after the war. Atlanta recovers and eventually expands but Macon is a much stronger city in this ATL and the industrial heart of Georgia.
 
-McClellan still gets bogged down but is much closer to Richmond
-Confederates forced to pull troops from Western Theater to defend Richmond
-Union goes on offensive down Mississippi and takes the entire river 9 months ahead of schedule with control of most of Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and central/western Tennessee by opening of 1863
-Richmond evacuated as Union army closes in, heads for Atlanta as new capital
-Union army reclaims whole of Virginia and western Virginia before latter becomes a separate state, moving south into eastern Tennessee it creates a State of Franklin based out of Knoxville and establishes bases for a move into Georgia
-Confederacy forced to fight on plains of Carolinas and valleys in northern Georgia but realizes that without the Shenandoah Valley their position is hopeless, especially without industrial resources of Virginia
-Confederacy offers terms in early 1863 but they are refused, war drags on into late 1863 with EP being announced at (insert battle site here) following (insert battle here)
-Atlanta scene of grand siege, city is literally destroyed, Macon becomes de facto economic capital of Georgia as railways are rerouted there after the war. Atlanta recovers and eventually expands but Macon is a much stronger city in this ATL and the industrial heart of Georgia.

But how about if I mind control Mac thru time, Richmond falls and the CSA collapses quickly despite everything, Congress and POTUS are just glad they surrendered and are merciful but do ixnay the fugitive slave act and the spread of slavery by one inch anywhere under USA jurisdiction, etc. etc. if the courts even allow any of that?
 
IIRC what you are talking about is called the Penninsular War. I'm suprised at how many of you fell into this tar pit, if you are not putting me on:D

La Brea what?;)

Google "wellington peninsular", and check the suggestions.
1) ... war
2).... war map
3)... campaign map

So peninsular campaign is clearlt a common search term, if nothing else.

So, no.
 
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