Asami
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Yes, Richthofen survived the war. He'll appear again in the near future -- Goering did have his OTL victory totals, so yes, he got that medal. I just overlooked that.
Peace Without Victors
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Yes, Richthofen survived the war. He'll appear again in the near future -- Goering did have his OTL victory totals, so yes, he got that medal. I just overlooked that.
How does the addiction come about?
iirc it developed due to treatment for wounds received in the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch. If that hasn't happened - -
Son of Leman Russ
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Wow, this TL is really interesting...
So without the order to infiltrate the NSDAP, Hitler could end up replacing Luddendorf? Oh heck, General Hitler...
So without the order to infiltrate the NSDAP, Hitler could end up replacing Luddendorf? Oh heck, General Hitler...
Tyr Anazasi
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I don't see Hitler as general. He wasn't stupid, he was an autodidact and able to memorize much. But he was still a corporal. Even as Ludendorff's aide he would not rise as much as captain or major. For more he needed more skill and luck than he would get this TL. I think it is a bit far fetched. But not impossible though.
cubefreak123
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Will we get some insight into how France is taking all this? They have to feel like they lost due to the loss of men and how torn up parts of France are. All that for part of Alsace-Lorraine back? I can see some radical elements gaining a bit of traction ITL.
Remember this is in the 1930s - addiction to morphine and other opiates is really common, mainly because the only other analgesic was Aspirin. (invented by the German company Bayer in 1897 and the trademark to which was lost as part of the WW I reparations). There weren't any antibiotics, either.
And the (ignominiously losing) military is going to be totally discredited. "Money for the army? If the Germans invade again we'll just send every whore in Paris to fuck them to death."
I can see him as Ludendorff's orderly (batman, gofer) instead of as an aide. In the general case an aide to a general or admiral is somebody who has been recognized as having the qualities of obtaining high rank someday ("high-speed low-drag," on the fast track). This isn't the case for Hitler. If he'd been a Captain or Major, possibly, but not a Corporal.
After a stint as an orderly I could see him as a junior Lieutenant or possibly a Sergeant, but nothing more.
Son of Leman Russ
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Hitler? Batman? Hitler is Batman ITTL!!!
*trying his best to not go to photoshop and give Batman Hitler's face parts and toothbrush mustache*
Dark Knight of Munich (and occassional Jew-killer)? Lol
Hmmm i think it would be actually quite good that they cancel each other out. That way it can be seen as the beginning of mutual economic collaboration.
A way to mend old wounds, specially if A-L ends up (mostly) back in France.
Asami
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Peace Without Victors
Chapter 5. Chancellor Marx (1925-1927)
Almost immediately out of the gates in 1925 -- disturbing developments alarmed the new Center government in Germany. Benito Mussolini, who had three years prior, marched on the city of Rome and named himself Prime Minister, announced his intent to assume dictatorial powers over the Italian state, fashioning himself “Il duce”.
This 1925 destruction of the Italian parliamentary system in favor of the “Grand Fascist Council” and Mussolini’s near absolute power triggered the Alldeutschen Volkspartei leading a massive rally in Nuremberg calling for the “protection of Germans in the South Tyrol and Austria from Italian fascism”. These rallies went relatively unheeded, although many made note of their political cohesiveness.
It was in February 1925 that Erich Ludendorff was dismissed from his position as Commander of the East after new evidence came to light that Ludendorff had provided shelter and support in the form of supplies to the Christmas putsch leaders. The dismissal of Ludendorff lead to the Kaiser and central command under Hans von Seeckt appointing a replacement. Ludendorff’s successor was in the form of Major Erwin Rommel, who had been a division commander on the Western Front. The young commander was promoted not for experience, but for the fact that he seemed more than capable of job. Adolf Hitler was reassigned to command the German expeditionary army in Novorossiya.
It was in March 1925 that the German-backed Volga-Don Republic, a White Russian warlord state, collapsed under Bolshevik pressures. The end of the Russian Civil War was signaled by this event, and the Soviet Union was finally born, after having been delayed in the process massively. Vladimir Lenin, whose health was fragile, declared the state’s foundation and laid out the foundations for the new socialist state. This lead to a wave of unease amongst the German puppet regimes who were worried of the Bolshevik filth spreading west. However, Lenin’s power was short lived. In April 1925, Lenin expired due to various medical maladies, leaving an open power vacuum in the newly born Soviet Union.
Fears of the growing Communist influence in Eastern Europe were not alleviated when, on April 25, Communists in Bulgaria bombed a church, killing 26 people. This lead to a reactionary crackdown in Bulgaria, and an army-organized putsch of suspected Bolsheviks from local governments in the East at Hitler’s demand. The events of 1925 were dominated by fascist and communist scares.
However, the government of Germany made a diplomatic trade deal with the Soviet Union in 1926 under the provisional leadership of Nikolai Bukharin. Bukharin was in a three-way tug of war with Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin. With this agreement, Germany promised to back Bukharin’s autonomists over Trotsky’s “eternal revolution” and Stalin’s hardliner Bolsheviks. As the new Soviet Union moved toward a possible war with itself, Germany dealt with some internal events.
At the beginning of 1926, the Rhine River flooded, causing many problems for people living in the city. The German government deployed emergency action for relief to the people of Cologne, hoping to stave off the massive economic damage an overflowing Rhine would cause. While this was going on, Germany’s two top aeronautical companies merged on January 6, paving the way for the foundation of “Deutsche Luft Hansa” (today named Lufthansa). This new aeronautical corporation would pave the way for further aeronautical developments such as civilian flight in actual aircraft, not zeppelins.
On the line of technological advancements, one of the most well-known German radio stations, Deutschlandsender began broadcasting for the first time on January 7, 1926, out of Brandenburg. By the end of the 1930s, DS would open numerous radio stations across Germany, providing quick news and entertainment to the German people.
The biggest event of 1926 was perhaps the signing of the Treaty of Nations in Straßburg on October 1st. This treaty marked the formal establishment of the League of Nations, a dream of the peaceniks across the world for years, one that had taken seven years to develop properly into that of a fair international arbitrator. The ratification of this treaty bolstered the Marx government significantly, providing him leverage to get labour and electoral reform through. In order to encourage more public growth, the German government passed a law in early 1927 calling for the establishment of a “Reichsarbeitskraft Gruppe” which would put the unemployed into government service jobs, constructing public works projects or other things of that manner. The bill was backed by many in the Reichstag, except for the Conservative Party, who called it “Marxist trash”.
After the signing of the Treaty of Nations, France and Germany signed further economic treaties relieving the debt on each other. In order to encourage mutual growth, Alsace-Lorraine began to develop rapidly as French and German companies began to open doors and plants in the Franco-German region. The attitudes of Berlin and Paris toward each other was improving.
1927 marked the release of Metropolis, a new film that many Germans flocked to see. It received high marks from many, and it marked a new golden age in German film-making. Many people, including Leni Riefenstahl, Fritz Lang, and Marlene Dietrich, began to collaborate to come up with new films for the 1930s and beyond.
That same year, Germany’s relationship with the Polish puppet state was drawn closer as Poland and Germany signed an extensive trade agreement, extending Polish economic ties to Germany. However, that same year, a crisis emerged that would challenge European peace and stability...
1927 was the year of the Augsleich, a decennial renegotiation of the terms of the 1867 Austro-Hungarian Compromise. Austria-Hungary, a nation constantly weakened by living in the shadow of Germany, and the howling of the Pan-German People’s Party, is beginning to show signs of cracking, especially as the Slavs grow even more restless...
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Stay tuned for Chapter 6: Crisis on the Danube!
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Asami
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Alsace-Lorraine pretty much voted along ethnic lines. Alemannisch and German speakers voted to stay with the German nation, while Francophonie voters went for France.
Your Tvtropes page will come if you continue this and This is just a dream, ditto for the turtledove
, keep going ma cherie
Asami
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Here's a little bit of information regarding the United States during the war and afterwards, since we haven't touched on it much.
United States elections from 1916 to 1926
1916:
Presidential: Woodrow Wilson (D-VA) beats Charles E. Hughes (R-NY)
House of Representatives: Republicans gain 19 seats; Democratic-Socialist-Progressive Coalition maintains narrow majority
R: 216, D: 214, P: 3, S: 1
Senate: Republicans gain 2 seats,Democrats lose 2 seats
R: 42, D: 54
1918:
House of Representatives: Republicans gain 33 seats, take majority
R: 249, D: 183
Senate: Republicans gain 5 seats, Democrats lose 5 seats
R: 47, D: 47
1920:
Presidential: Leonard Wood (R-NH) beats James M. Cox (D-OH)
House of Representatives: Republicans gain 62 seats
R: 311, D: 121
Senate: Republicans gain 10 seats
R: 57, D: 37
1922:
House of Representatives: Democrats gain 76 seats
R: 235, D: 197
Senate: Democrats gain 6 seats
R: 51, D: 43
1924:
Presidential: John W. Davis (D-WV) beats Leonard Wood (R-NH)
House of Representatives: Democrats gain 28 seats, take majority
R: 207, D: 225
Senate: Democrats gain 6 seats, take majority
R: 45, D: 49
1926:
House of Representatives: Republicans gain 3 seats, Socialists gain 3 seats.
R: 199, D: 230, S: 3 seats
Senate: Republicans gain 1 seats, tie with Democrats -- Socialists gain 2 seats.
R: 46, D: 46, S: 2
United States elections from 1916 to 1926
1916:
Presidential: Woodrow Wilson (D-VA) beats Charles E. Hughes (R-NY)
House of Representatives: Republicans gain 19 seats; Democratic-Socialist-Progressive Coalition maintains narrow majority
R: 216, D: 214, P: 3, S: 1
Senate: Republicans gain 2 seats,Democrats lose 2 seats
R: 42, D: 54
1918:
House of Representatives: Republicans gain 33 seats, take majority
R: 249, D: 183
Senate: Republicans gain 5 seats, Democrats lose 5 seats
R: 47, D: 47
1920:
Presidential: Leonard Wood (R-NH) beats James M. Cox (D-OH)
House of Representatives: Republicans gain 62 seats
R: 311, D: 121
Senate: Republicans gain 10 seats
R: 57, D: 37
1922:
House of Representatives: Democrats gain 76 seats
R: 235, D: 197
Senate: Democrats gain 6 seats
R: 51, D: 43
1924:
Presidential: John W. Davis (D-WV) beats Leonard Wood (R-NH)
House of Representatives: Democrats gain 28 seats, take majority
R: 207, D: 225
Senate: Democrats gain 6 seats, take majority
R: 45, D: 49
1926:
House of Representatives: Republicans gain 3 seats, Socialists gain 3 seats.
R: 199, D: 230, S: 3 seats
Senate: Republicans gain 1 seats, tie with Democrats -- Socialists gain 2 seats.
R: 46, D: 46, S: 2
