Peace Settlement for a defeated Germany in France (WW2)

Greetings,

I have been reading Winston Churchill's 'The Second World War' and within it Churchill states that Hitler's rise to power may have been prevented, if the victors at Versailles had of created a Consitutional Monarchy, as opposed to the Weimar Republic. Regardless that is not the discussion I wished to open, what I would like some opinions on, is what a peace conference might look like if Germany was stalled indefinately in its invasion of France.

The POD need not go back far, perhaps the French do not rush forward to help the Belgiums but keep their reserves back within France. The POD is immaterial, the question of interest is the aftermath of a failed invasion. In such a scenario, is Hitler likely to be toppled or forced to come to peace? I cannot imagine a fight to the death this early in the piece, I imagine the military would intervene. If this is the case, would they find favour with a victorious Churchill's proposal to reinstate the German Monarchy (curtailed by a consitution based on the British system). Also what would happen to Austria, Poland, Czechslovakia, Denmark, Norway etc.

If the Allies do not have the strength to push on, but the Germans know they will eventually lose (and be at risk from a russian attack), would there be some concessions given to Germany? Would the banning of the Nazi party and annulment of Anschluss be integral to any peace? What would the post war world look like?

Thank you for your help, I apologise if this has been done before.
 
If the allies had not rushed into Belgium it would seem that they would have had enough strength to resist a german invasion of France. This would allow them time to build up for a counter blow.
It is quite likely that such a massive failure could result in Hitler being overthrown and Germany having to make a lot o changes. The very least would be withdrawal form all occuppied territorie taken as of Sept 1,1939, withdrawal from the Czech provinces and reparations for damages. Hitler and the Nazi leadership would be tried and Germany would have to ban the party. If the German military was instrumential in overthrowing Hitler it is possible that the British might has be willing to allow the Kaiser's grandson to take the throne in a new Constitutional Monarchy.
 
Well, interesting alternative. I would say that Germany would have been denied all the gains in "Germanic" Europe (Scandinavia and whatever of France/Belgium they would be able to hold when peace talks start). They would likely be ordered to evaquate from Poland (after all, Polish independence guarantees were trigger for the war). I'm not so sure about Czechoslovakia. Czech leadership was mad as hell at both West (for Munich) and Poland (for refusal to let Red Army to pass through it's territory), and those feeleing were shared by much of Czech. So, restoration of Czechoslovakia would likely mean eager Soviet ally in Central Europe and that's not something West was looking forward to.
 
By all means I agree that geramny would have to withdraw from-Norway, Denmanrk, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg and its part of occuipped Poland (getting the Russians out of the Rest might take some threat of war with Britain and France (thus the western allies might not be super tough on Germany if it gave back all of the land and got rid of the Nazi's). It might be that Britain would support a restoration of a Czech Republic but I doubt if the Slovkians would wish to rejoin it.
 
By all means I agree that geramny would have to withdraw from-Norway, Denmanrk, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg and its part of occuipped Poland (getting the Russians out of the Rest might take some threat of war with Britain and France
Actually, the fate of Kresy (Second Polish Republic east of Curzon line) would be pretty interesting in this reality. Stalin would be positively unwilling to part with those lands and, in all fairness, I suspect that even majority of population there would be in favour of staying outside of Poland.
 
I would disagree regarding Poland. After suffering a few months of the Soviet occupation the people there would be very happy to return to Poland. I do believe that the Liuthanians in the city that were claimed by both it and Poland wanted to be part of Liuthania and were quite happy that that was the case until the Soviets deceided to occupy the Baltic States.
Still the treaty signed by France and Britain with Poland required them to make every effort to restore the borders of that country to were they were in 1939.
 
I would disagree regarding Poland. After suffering a few months of the Soviet occupation the people there would be very happy to return to Poland.
According to nationalist Polish sources, majority of Kresy population as of 1943 was opposing return to Poland, even if USSR was the only alternative. Add local Jews (5-10% of population, depends on area) to the equation and, as I said, majority of Kresy population is likely to vote against Polish option.
 
Who was taking polls in 1943 Poland?

Anyway, I'm not sure why they wouldn't restore the Czech state; while it's true they were fond of the Soviets, so were plenty of people in France.
 
Who was taking polls in 1943 Poland?
I posted the link in "West Liberates Poland" thread, methink. It's Polish article and author uses two groups of sources: reports from AK's counter-intelligence department (who knew situation on the ground), as well as some unaltered protocols from 1946 referendum (his claim goes that Commies altered protocols, but some Polish patriots managed to save originals for certain electoral districts)

Anyway, I'm not sure why they wouldn't restore the Czech state; while it's true they were fond of the Soviets, so were plenty of people in France.
That's true too, but it would be Churchill who would be running the show. Not that his power would be dictatorial, but still. Anyway, I just said that I don't see restoration of Masaryk Czechoslovakia as certain ITTL. But it's definitely possible.
 
If Czech volunteers fought with the British and French during the campaign then it would appear that the British might insist on the restoration of a Czech Republic. I don't think that it would be entirely possible to put the entire country back together.
 
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