Peace In Our Time: Collaborative Timeline
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Stalin is already dead. Perhaps we could do a series of dates about what happens to his assassin?
Also.
Petition to kill Heinrich Himmler. Signed: Jim Smitty, anon_user, randomideaguy
And he's dead!
I'm fine with killing one or two Nazis, as long as we don't make it obvious that fate is out to kill them. Same goes for the Soviets.July 20, 1923: An attempted assassination of Pancho Villa fails, thanks to the effective response of Villa's bodyguards.
October 29, 1924: Frederick Fox Riley, defeating Liberal Robert Strother Stewart and Tory Harold MacMillan, is one of the 154 Labour Party MPs elected in 1924 - not enough to preserve the minority government that had been in place since January, but more than enough to displace the Liberals as the chief rival to the Conservatives.
November 3, 1926: Nellie Tayloe Ross, a progressive 'dry' Democrat, is narrowly re-elected as governor of Wyoming, defeating Republican Frank Emerson; the same day, corrupt 'wet' Democrat Ma Ferguson, having won a bruising primary fight earlier in the year, is re-elected governor of Texas.
October 29, 1924: Frederick Fox Riley, defeating Liberal Robert Strother Stewart and Tory Harold MacMillan, is one of the 154 Labour Party MPs elected in 1924 - not enough to preserve the minority government that had been in place since January, but more than enough to displace the Liberals as the chief rival to the Conservatives.
November 3, 1926: Nellie Tayloe Ross, a progressive 'dry' Democrat, is narrowly re-elected as governor of Wyoming, defeating Republican Frank Emerson; the same day, corrupt 'wet' Democrat Ma Ferguson, having won a bruising primary fight earlier in the year, is re-elected governor of Texas.
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February 12, 1926: Frances Stevenson, the mistress of David Lloyd George [DLG], gives birth to a baby girl. She names DLG as the father. He decides to accept paternity. The parents give the name Myfanwy (Welsh for beloved) to their daughter.
February 14, 1926: Margaret Lloyd George, DLG's wife, says that she will stand by her husband. She had known for several years about his infidelity with Miss Stevenson, but she knows in her heart that she is David's first and deepest love. She will love and care for Myfanwy as if she were her own daughter.
February 17, 1926: In order to take maximum advantage of DLG's public admission of adultery to stop him becoming leader of the Liberal Party, Herbert Asquith resigns as leader.
February 18, 1926 : DLG says that 'for personal reasons' he will not be standing for leadership of the Liberal Party.
February 19, 1926: Walter Runciman announces his candidature for leadership of the Liberal Party. As one of the few Liberal MPs elected in the October 1924 general election against both Tory and Labour opponents (he captured Swansea, West from Labour), he said he would keep the party independent of any pact or alliance with the Tories or Labour.
February 20, 1926: William Wedgwood Benn announces that he is standing for leader of the Liberal Party with the intention of returning the party to its radical roots.
February 21, 1926: Sir Robert Hutchison, the assistant whip, announces that he is standing for leader of the Liberal Party, He was a Lloyd George Liberal. The other two candidates were Asquithian Liberals.
February 22, 1926 : Sir John Simon declares that he is giving his full support to Runciman in the Liberal leadership contest.
March 10, 1926: First ballot of Liberal MPs: Hutchison 18 votes, Runciman 13 votes, Wedgwood Benn 9 votes. Wedgwood Benn withdraws from the contest.
March 11, 1926: Wedgwood Benn declares that Runciman has his full support in the leadership contest. He asks all the MPs who voted for him to vote for Runciman on the second ballot.
March 17, 1926 Result of second ballot of Liberal MPs: Runciman 22 votes, Hutchison 18 votes. Runciman becomes leader of the Liberal Party.
February 14, 1926: Margaret Lloyd George, DLG's wife, says that she will stand by her husband. She had known for several years about his infidelity with Miss Stevenson, but she knows in her heart that she is David's first and deepest love. She will love and care for Myfanwy as if she were her own daughter.
February 17, 1926: In order to take maximum advantage of DLG's public admission of adultery to stop him becoming leader of the Liberal Party, Herbert Asquith resigns as leader.
February 18, 1926 : DLG says that 'for personal reasons' he will not be standing for leadership of the Liberal Party.
February 19, 1926: Walter Runciman announces his candidature for leadership of the Liberal Party. As one of the few Liberal MPs elected in the October 1924 general election against both Tory and Labour opponents (he captured Swansea, West from Labour), he said he would keep the party independent of any pact or alliance with the Tories or Labour.
February 20, 1926: William Wedgwood Benn announces that he is standing for leader of the Liberal Party with the intention of returning the party to its radical roots.
February 21, 1926: Sir Robert Hutchison, the assistant whip, announces that he is standing for leader of the Liberal Party, He was a Lloyd George Liberal. The other two candidates were Asquithian Liberals.
February 22, 1926 : Sir John Simon declares that he is giving his full support to Runciman in the Liberal leadership contest.
March 10, 1926: First ballot of Liberal MPs: Hutchison 18 votes, Runciman 13 votes, Wedgwood Benn 9 votes. Wedgwood Benn withdraws from the contest.
March 11, 1926: Wedgwood Benn declares that Runciman has his full support in the leadership contest. He asks all the MPs who voted for him to vote for Runciman on the second ballot.
March 17, 1926 Result of second ballot of Liberal MPs: Runciman 22 votes, Hutchison 18 votes. Runciman becomes leader of the Liberal Party.
February 10, 1922: The Washington Naval Conference breaks down; no treaty is produced. The delegates do agree to meet again in six months.
September 1, 1923: A moderately strong earthquake - 4.9 on the Richter scale - hits the Kanto plain.
June 5, 1925: Almirante Cochrane is commissioned into the Chilean Navy; it is the first aircraft carrier in the service of a Latin American navy.
October 1, 1925: German negotiators successfully chip away at the naval limitations imposed on the Reichsmarine by the Treaty of Versailles. Germany was now granted the right to field six heavy cruisers (with armament of up to 12" (304.8mm)) of up to 12000t displacement, eight light cruisers of up to 6000t displacement, 18 destroyers of up to 800t displacement, and 20 torpedo boats.
June 3, 1927: President Warren G. Harding signs the McNary-Haugen Farm Relief Act into law, attempting to maintain 1913 agricultural price levels and counteract the overproduction that had occurred during the Great War by purchasing surplus crops for sale overseas; losses incurred would be made up for by fees against farm producers.
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Incidentally, I think a naval arms limitation treaty will be signed... but six months' delay could make things a bit interesting.
September 1, 1923: A moderately strong earthquake - 4.9 on the Richter scale - hits the Kanto plain.
June 5, 1925: Almirante Cochrane is commissioned into the Chilean Navy; it is the first aircraft carrier in the service of a Latin American navy.
October 1, 1925: German negotiators successfully chip away at the naval limitations imposed on the Reichsmarine by the Treaty of Versailles. Germany was now granted the right to field six heavy cruisers (with armament of up to 12" (304.8mm)) of up to 12000t displacement, eight light cruisers of up to 6000t displacement, 18 destroyers of up to 800t displacement, and 20 torpedo boats.
June 3, 1927: President Warren G. Harding signs the McNary-Haugen Farm Relief Act into law, attempting to maintain 1913 agricultural price levels and counteract the overproduction that had occurred during the Great War by purchasing surplus crops for sale overseas; losses incurred would be made up for by fees against farm producers.
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Incidentally, I think a naval arms limitation treaty will be signed... but six months' delay could make things a bit interesting.
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August 30, 1926: Gustav Stresemann becomes German Chancellor for the third time.
September 12 1926: Mao Zedong is caught by Republic of China force is place in jail to stand trail.
March 9 1925: Hideki Tojo dies in a training accdent.
March 9 1925: Hideki Tojo dies in a training accdent.
Again, formally, we shouldn't be killing off politicians without getting two others to agree to kill them. Again, though, I'd agree to kill off Tojo - I was planning to ask about killing him off.
Randomideaguy - can I kill off Kenesaw Mountain Landis, or should I put together a petition first?
***Petitions***
Petition to kill Sadao Araki. Signed, anon_user
Petition to kill Augusto Pinochet as a child. Signed, anon_user
Petition to kill José López Rega as a child. Signed: anon_user, randomideaguy
Petition to kill Hideki Tojo. Signed, Jim Smitty, anon_user
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August 19, 1927: Mendez Nunez, converted into an aircraft carrier, commissions into the Spanish Navy, twelve years after she was ordered.
Randomideaguy - can I kill off Kenesaw Mountain Landis, or should I put together a petition first?
***Petitions***
Petition to kill Sadao Araki. Signed, anon_user
Petition to kill Augusto Pinochet as a child. Signed, anon_user
Petition to kill José López Rega as a child. Signed: anon_user, randomideaguy
Petition to kill Hideki Tojo. Signed, Jim Smitty, anon_user
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August 19, 1927: Mendez Nunez, converted into an aircraft carrier, commissions into the Spanish Navy, twelve years after she was ordered.
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December 5 1922: After the WashingtonTreaty is sign but does not say how many aircraft carrier can be made out the lay down battleships or battlecruiser the US turns are 6 Lexington Class Battlecruisers into aircraft carriers.
December 6 1922: Japan follow the US lead and turns the 2 Tosa Class battleship into Kaga Class Carriers and the two laid down Amagi Class battlecruisers into Amagi Class Carriers and cancels the other two Amagi Class battlecruiser who have been yet to later down.
December 6 1922: Japan follow the US lead and turns the 2 Tosa Class battleship into Kaga Class Carriers and the two laid down Amagi Class battlecruisers into Amagi Class Carriers and cancels the other two Amagi Class battlecruiser who have been yet to later down.
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April 11, 1922: Herbert O. Yardley, head of the Black Chamber, is struck by a car on the way to work; he is forced to stay in the hospital for six months, recuperating.
December 4, 1922: The Washington Naval Arms Treaty is signed by representatives of the UK, Japan and the US. It declares a halt to new battleship and battlecruiser construction (with battleships and battlecruisers defined as ships of 18000t or greater, mounting cannon of 13" (330mm) or greater caliber), and to the fortification of League mandate territories in the Pacific (and of the Aleutians and Guam). It is far weaker than the treaty proposed in the first round, but the intransigent American and Japanese delegations are unwilling to compromise further - especially after the French and Italians had already walked out.
December 20, 1922: HMS Howe, HMS Rodney and HMS Anson, the three sisters to HMS Hood, are reordered as aircraft carriers.
December 4, 1922: The Washington Naval Arms Treaty is signed by representatives of the UK, Japan and the US. It declares a halt to new battleship and battlecruiser construction (with battleships and battlecruisers defined as ships of 18000t or greater, mounting cannon of 13" (330mm) or greater caliber), and to the fortification of League mandate territories in the Pacific (and of the Aleutians and Guam). It is far weaker than the treaty proposed in the first round, but the intransigent American and Japanese delegations are unwilling to compromise further - especially after the French and Italians had already walked out.
December 20, 1922: HMS Howe, HMS Rodney and HMS Anson, the three sisters to HMS Hood, are reordered as aircraft carriers.
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December 25, 1926: A general strike in Cologne turns into a riot as local police are goaded into brutality.
December 26, 1926: Rioters, strikers, and various other malcontents hole up in the main building of the University of Cologne. Mayor Konrad Adenauer personally orders police to storm the building; eleven die in the fighting, including four policemen, and the building itself is wrecked.
March 31 1926: J Edgar Hoover leaves the Justice of Department after photos are found with him and a second man in the bedroom with there pants down.
The butterfly effect was originally about weather
September 2, 1924: A Category 3 hurricane, the fourth tropical storm of the 1924 hurricane season, slams into Savannah, Georgia, causing significant damage to a number of historic buildings in the city - most notably the Sorrel Weed House.
October 15, 1925: On a clear day in Pittsburgh, Washington Senators ace pitcher Walter Johnson wins Game 7 of the World Series, 6-3.
September 2, 1924: A Category 3 hurricane, the fourth tropical storm of the 1924 hurricane season, slams into Savannah, Georgia, causing significant damage to a number of historic buildings in the city - most notably the Sorrel Weed House.
October 15, 1925: On a clear day in Pittsburgh, Washington Senators ace pitcher Walter Johnson wins Game 7 of the World Series, 6-3.
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Kamenev wouldn't do that - only Bukharin and his clique wanted to keep NEP going. Besides, we're not in '28 yet.
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Meantime, I wonder how the naval arms race will play out. Things to keep in mind - refits are permitted, new construction of ships for foreign nations is permitted, France and Italy aren't parties to the battleship/battlecruiser freeze, and there's no definition of a heavy cruiser. No Treaty cruisers - navies can build their cruisers to whatever tonnage they like, armed however they like, provided that they don't go up to 18000t and 13" guns. On the other hand, money is short, especially in Britain - though it's a bit less short in Japan, since the Kanto quake didn't do nearly as much damage as in OTL. Further, by default there's more interest in carriers - they aren't frozen, they're becoming more popular world-wide (Chile and Spain both have carriers of their own, for instance), and they can be built big. Heck, battle-carriers and large flying-deck cruisers, armed with 12" mounts at the front and a flying deck at the rear, are bound to be proposed, if not necessarily built.
Kamenev wouldn't do that - only Bukharin and his clique wanted to keep NEP going. Besides, we're not in '28 yet.
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Meantime, I wonder how the naval arms race will play out. Things to keep in mind - refits are permitted, new construction of ships for foreign nations is permitted, France and Italy aren't parties to the battleship/battlecruiser freeze, and there's no definition of a heavy cruiser. No Treaty cruisers - navies can build their cruisers to whatever tonnage they like, armed however they like, provided that they don't go up to 18000t and 13" guns. On the other hand, money is short, especially in Britain - though it's a bit less short in Japan, since the Kanto quake didn't do nearly as much damage as in OTL. Further, by default there's more interest in carriers - they aren't frozen, they're becoming more popular world-wide (Chile and Spain both have carriers of their own, for instance), and they can be built big. Heck, battle-carriers and large flying-deck cruisers, armed with 12" mounts at the front and a flying deck at the rear, are bound to be proposed, if not necessarily built.
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I think killing off those two Japanese generals/diplomats is pointless, as without Stalin, the Manchurian Incident is butterflied away, which should keep the IW Faction's ideals from being imprinted onto the army.
No, since he's just a baseball coach it's okay.
And I think rather than killing every single WWII leader, we could take the countries that haven't had pre-emptive leader killings and change them in more peaceful ways, like someone earlier in the thread did with the UK. I'm torn on whether to look into French or Japanese politics for these purposes.
Well, he's not just any coach - he was the first Commissioner of Major League Baseball, and before that a judge.
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Good point about not just killing off everyone. I think it would be reasonable to not kill off Mussolini, for instance; Italy can find its way out in some other fashion. Perhaps, if Mussolini were on the losing end of a war (against Greece (and ally, presumably), or maybe against France), something like what happened in OTL in '43 could happen to him - assuming he makes it into power in the first place.
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Good point about not just killing off everyone. I think it would be reasonable to not kill off Mussolini, for instance; Italy can find its way out in some other fashion. Perhaps, if Mussolini were on the losing end of a war (against Greece (and ally, presumably), or maybe against France), something like what happened in OTL in '43 could happen to him - assuming he makes it into power in the first place.