PC/WI: "Super Ohio" class SSBN?

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From what I've read the Soviet "Typhoon" class was mean't to ride out most of the US's first strike and then reply likewise.

This allowed the submarine to be huge and thus able to lurk in the so called SSBN hide outs where it should've been immune to attack.

What if the USN when one better and built a Super-Ohio?

length, 1,100 ft
beam 85 ft
draught 70 ft.
displacement 72,000 tons
crew, same as original Ohio
missiles, 96 Trident D-2

Would this work? especially if it didn't travel in the open seas?

Regards filers.
 
No
The reason the Typhoo class were so gigantic, was because the twenty R-39 SLMB they carry
R-36 is a very big SLBM, with 10 Warhead over range of 8000 km
in contrast the Ohio Class submarine carry 24 Tridents II with up 12 Warheads with range of 11300 km

the Soviets build only 6 Typhoo Class submarine
the USA build 18 Ohio Class submarine

there was no need to build A "Super Ohio" simply keep the production line running for more Ohio Submarines
 
From what I've read the Soviet "Typhoon" class was mean't to ride out most of the US's first strike and then reply likewise.

This allowed the submarine to be huge and thus able to lurk in the so called SSBN hide outs where it should've been immune to attack.

What if the USN when one better and built a Super-Ohio?

length, 1,100 ft
beam 85 ft
draught 70 ft.
displacement 72,000 tons
crew, same as original Ohio
missiles, 96 Trident D-2

Would this work? especially if it didn't travel in the open seas?

Regards filers.

All SSBNs are supposed to be immune to attack, well as immune as the technology can permit.

The Typhoon is a beast but not anymore survivable than an Ohio or a Vanguard in the event of a first strike since the first strike would not be aimed at them.

SSBNs survivability is down to being extremely quiet and hard to track not about size and ability to take damage.

Furthermore, 72,000 tons displacement would put it in the same weight class as HMS Queen Elizabeth or about 4 times the size of a standard Ohio. For that you would be better building 4 standard Ohios and dispersing them.
 
Remember, the standard for SSBNs is you need three to keep one on patrol. In as urge expect two of three to be at sea, all three would be exceptional as one is usually undergoing maintenance that does not allow for a rapid sortie. So to keep one super on patrol you need to build three or the equivalent of nine to twelve regular Ohio boats. You are putting a lot of eggs in one basket, and while SSBNs, especially US boats are very hard to detect and track, you can't count 100% on that. If you get unlucky and lose one super it is a bad thing. Also the larger subs get they become much less maneuverable.
 
Remember, the standard for SSBNs is you need three to keep one on patrol. In as urge expect two of three to be at sea, all three would be exceptional as one is usually undergoing maintenance that does not allow for a rapid sortie. So to keep one super on patrol you need to build three or the equivalent of nine to twelve regular Ohio boats. You are putting a lot of eggs in one basket, and while SSBNs, especially US boats are very hard to detect and track, you can't count 100% on that. If you get unlucky and lose one super it is a bad thing. Also the larger subs get they become much less maneuverable.

and LOUD since the Typhoon engine has to push 48,000 metric tons true water, and every listening posts of US Navy had good idea were those Typhoon were in Ocean...
next to that must the Typhoon be closer to USA to fire around 8000 km from target and the 6 Typhoon will be welcome there by fleet of US Hunter Subs .
while Soviet Navy has to deal with 18 Ohio Class submarine who hit there targets from 11300 km away.

the Soviet "Typhoon" class was the last attempt to beat the USA with Ohio Class submarine and failed
it was four time bigger as Ohio class, used Big SLBM who were inferior to Tridents II of US Navy.
 
In addition to what the others have mentioned, you'd have to massively upgrade the infrastructure to handle these things. You'd have to enlarge the facilities at Electric Boat or Newport News to build those and both of those have issues, going to be long and expensive (Expensive for both, not sure about length for Newport News, but Electric boat would have to bulldoze residential neighborhoods), plus of course dredging (have deeper draft than CVN) and expending infrastructure plus dredging at Kitsap and Kings Bay, plus other bases if needed for emergency use

So in addition to the raw costs of building bigger, plus additional costs imposed by challenges of building bigger, there are those extra startup costs to consider, though there are some savings for building 1 big ships as opposed to 4 smaller ships, but unless you are building an ungodly number to amortize costs and get economies of scale, it would cost more to do this than the 4 Ohios route

Mind you ops cost would be lower than that of 4 Ohios, but again not enough to justify building, not unless operating far more SSBNs than the US ever wanted
 
Another thought is why would you need to have between 768 and 1,152 warheads on the same boat.

The entire UK SLBM payload is less than 150 warheads and that is enough to decimate the bulk of any enemy's infrastructure and C3I
 
Our old Infinite Worlds campaign featured such ships, around 48,000t with 64 Trident E6. They originated in a timeline where the Soviets started a true blue water fleet after a slightly different WW2 and began targeting the Polaris boats pretty early on (lots of Moskva's and follow ons leading into aviation cruisers then actual carriers). Eventually the USN went with the idea of SSBN bastions, with seabases, subs, ships and aircraft guarding areas covered by extensive sensor nets. The background wasn't developed in great detail (it was pretty irrelevant) as it was purely there so the PC's antagonist (whom they didn't know existed) to obtain five such boats (actually five copies of the same boat) via salvaging an accidental sinking that occurred in a skerry.
By the time they found out about the boats 320 ballistic missiles carrying 5760 750kt warheads were ready to drop on Reich-5.
 
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