PC/WI: Improved SEPECAT Super Jaguar developed instead of PANAVIA Tornado?

It would have to be re-designed and modified so much it would be an entirely new aircraft. So it would end up being a Tornado-sized aircraft...
Would it have Tornado capability? After the initial Baby and Super P.45 there would be Mk 2 versions with the RB.199 replacing the Spey.

Another advantage I though a Spey powered P.45 would have over a twin Adour aircraft, either the OTL Jaguar or the twin Adour version of P.45 was that the engine development costs were already absorbed by the Spey-Phantom. AFAIK the Adour was specifically developed for the Jaguar.
 
Would it have Tornado capability? After the initial Baby and Super P.45 there would be Mk 2 versions with the RB.199 replacing the Spey.

Another advantage I though a Spey powered P.45 would have over a twin Adour aircraft, either the OTL Jaguar or the twin Adour version of P.45 was that the engine development costs were already absorbed by the Spey-Phantom. AFAIK the Adour was specifically developed for the Jaguar.

Well... it would be a 2-seater, with 2 bigger engines, greater payload and range. The point is that it would be an entirely new plane, not a Super Jaguar. Might as well stick with the Tornado.
 
Well... it would be a 2-seater, with 2 bigger engines, greater payload and range. The point is that it would be an entirely new plane, not a Super Jaguar. Might as well stick with the Tornado.
I agree that the airframe would have little in common with the P.45 internally. There might be some external resemblance, plus some common avionics and the same engine. It wouldn't be called Super P.45, it would have its own project number in the ex-English Electric series.

IIRC the OTL Tornado evolved from UKVG, which in turn evolved from AFVG, in turn begun in the aftermath of the TSR2 cancellation and based on the VG work BAC and its predecessors had done since the late 1940s including the P.45.

To me the advantage of Super P.45, would that with the POD of 1965 it would be available several years earlier than the OTL Tornado. Even if it only got to the prototype stage it might be a useful research aircraft for the OTL Tornado in the same way that the EAP became one for the Typhoon.
 
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To me the advantage of Super P.45, would that with the POD of 1965 it would be available several years earlier than the OTL Tornado.

Well, in that case, you allready have an excelent aircraft in development, that 1st flew in September 1964: the TSR-2. Just prevent it's cancelation, and you'll have a plane that will crush all opposition!
 
Well, in that case, you allready have an excelent aircraft in development, that 1st flew in September 1964: the TSR-2. Just prevent it's cancelation, and you'll have a plane that will crush all opposition!
For my last post I was going to suggest putting the TSR2 engines and avionics into it - before I realised I had reinvented the TSR2, but with swing-wings instead of straight ones. IIRC from Derek Wood's Project Cancelled there was a VG TSR2 study, but I don't know if it was a feasibility study or a serious proposal.
 
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