PC/WI. Earlier Jewish State or settlement in Middle East?

WILDGEESE

Gone Fishin'
In some threads in the post 1900 department they have discussed resettlement of the Jews in Madagascar or creating a Jewish homeland in Western Germany as reparations.

Here's a couple of scenarios

1)

With a pod post 1900, in what ways could you get an earlier and greater settlement of Trans-Jordan & Palestine by Jews in the 1920's and 30's, in regards of letting most of the Jewish population of Europe go to the Middle East?

2)

Would the Nazi's be allowed or get away with expelling up to 6 million or so Jews to the Middle East post 1940, instead of their Final Solution?

What are the implications of either scenario on the formation of a Jewish homeland?

Would either scenario by possible?

Regards filers.
 
In some threads in the post 1900 department they have discussed resettlement of the Jews in Madagascar or creating a Jewish homeland in Western Germany as reparations.

Here's a couple of scenarios

1)

With a pod post 1900, in what ways could you get an earlier and greater settlement of Trans-Jordan & Palestine by Jews in the 1920's and 30's, in regards of letting most of the Jewish population of Europe go to the Middle East?

Transjordan is a toughy (having it not be given to the Hashemites would basically require that the French don't kick Faisal out of Syria, and even then I'm not sure), but Palestine is easy: just don't have the British cap Jewish immigration.

Note that this could, theoretically, lead to more violence...or it could actually lead to less, if there's enough Jews that the balance of power is no longer so precarious.

Based on your second question, it's not clear to me if you mean to include German Jews marginalized by Nuremberg here as well.

But do remember that it's not like all of the Jews in Europe were trying to get to Palestine. Most of the Jews that before 1935 had wanted to leave already had - to the US (and Canada).

2)

Would the Nazi's be allowed or get away with expelling up to 6 million or so Jews to the Middle East post 1940, instead of their Final Solution?

Not likely. The Nazis might try to expel all of the German, Czech, and Austrian Jews, there's just too many Jews in Poland, it's not logistically feasible for the Nazis to export them all to Palestine across a hostile Mediterranean in the middle of a war.


What are the implications of either scenario on the formation of a Jewish homeland?

I don't understand the question, considering that there's already a Jewish homeland without either of these things occurring.

Would either scenario by possible?

The second one definitely not, and while unlimited Jewish immigration to Palestine might tip things differently there, I'm not sure how much effect it would have on the Final Solution.
 

WILDGEESE

Gone Fishin'
With reference to sailing them across the med, surely they'd be some way of identifying the ships that would be carrying refugees, for example such as Swedish ships painting a huge Nordic Cross on each side of the ship to identify it as neutral.

Would a huge Star of David suffice?

Regards filer
 
With reference to sailing them across the med, surely they'd be some way of identifying the ships that would be carrying refugees, for example such as Swedish ships painting a huge Nordic Cross on each side of the ship to identify it as neutral.

Would a huge Star of David suffice?

Regards filer

Well the SS would first have to round up the Jews in order to deport them. At that point some jerk in the SS would then realize that it's simply more "efficient" to kill them then and there rather than expend German resources to expel the Jews another region.

Besides if the Nazis believed that the Jews were plotting to take over the world then why would they give them a state from which to "base their global conquest operations" so to speak.
 
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If you want an earlier Jewish State, there must be good reason first. The only one I can think off, is that the Arabs piss off the French/English gouverment.
So an Arab revolt in the late 20's/early 30's with a lot of French/english (civilian) casulties, rape, plunder, torture etc. After putting the revolt down, only the Jewish/Druse/Christian population is trusted.:cool:
 
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