PC: Saxon kingdom

If all you want is a Saxon Kingdom, then have them convert to Christianity instead of fighting it.
Have Bonifatius go East instead of North(and his head smashed in).
By end of the 8th century an elected Saxon King is more then likely - the Franks got the concept from the church, why not the Saxons as well?
Karl the Great/Cruel would leave them alone. If he were to attack them Rome and his own people might have a big problem with that.
The Franks had enough enemies as it was, they would appreciate a christian Saxon state.
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If all you want is a Saxon Kingdom, then have them convert to Christianity instead of fighting it.
Have Bonifatius go East instead of North(and his head smashed in).
By end of the 8th century an elected Saxon King is more then likely - the Franks got the concept from the church, why not the Saxons as well?
Karl the Great/Cruel would leave them alone. If he were to attack them Rome and his own people might have a big problem with that.
The Franks had enough enemies as it was, they would appreciate a christian Saxon state.
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While I think this is a good way of getting a Saxon kingdom (Christianitys had a way of pushing a centralised power structure), I very much doubt Christianity would have done more for the Saxons vis-a-vis the Carolingian juggernaut than it did for the Aquitanians, Thuringians, Lombards, Bavarians and Basques.
 
While I think this is a good way of getting a Saxon kingdom (Christianitys had a way of pushing a centralised power structure), I very much doubt Christianity would have done more for the Saxons vis-a-vis the Carolingian juggernaut than it did for the Aquitanians, Thuringians, Lombards, Bavarians and Basques.

Well the Franks would probably focus their military attention towards Muslim Spain and of course the Langobards.
This means that the Saxons can "convert" the slavic tribes to the East.
While the Franks fight a bitter and brutal war against an equal enemy, face the Saxons a couple of tribes that fight each other.
If a Saxon king forces Bohemia into submission or like Karl the Great OTL gets annual tribute the tides will turn when the Hungarians march up the danube in the 10th century.
It will be the Franks or better the German-Franks that will need help from the Saxons.
Now if they sit back and let the Hungarians run up and down the country,
the Frank aristocrats will beg, beg(!!) a Saxon king to take the crown and defend them, as in OLT Otto the Great, a saxon, did.
 
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Beg? That will depend on what happens with the Frankish Empire, they might end up staying more united, so without a split West-, Middle and East Franks the Franks will stay much stronger. Besides the Hungarians can also affect the Saxons indirectly by hurting the tribes, which pay tribute to the Saxons.

And I think your forgetting Henry the Fowler, who started the Liudolfing/Saxon/Ottonian dynasty of German kings.
BTW that was an interesting coronation, he entered as a Saxon, but he left as a Frank :)(the German kingdom had developed from the kingdom of the East Franks).
 
Beg? That will depend on what happens with the Frankish Empire, they might end up staying more united, so without a split West-, Middle and East Franks the Franks will stay much stronger. Besides the Hungarians can also affect the Saxons indirectly by hurting the tribes, which pay tribute to the Saxons.

And I think your forgetting Henry the Fowler, who started the Liudolfing/Saxon/Ottonian dynasty of German kings.
BTW that was an interesting coronation, he entered as a Saxon, but he left as a Frank :)(the German kingdom had developed from the kingdom of the East Franks).


I see no reason why the history of the Franks should not include the "campus mendacii" and therefore the splitting of the country in three.
Maybe, if they are successful against the Spanish Moslems the actual border changes (a Kingdom of Spain, a Kingdom of France and a Kingdom of Germany/Italy) but the outcome of an independent France and Germany would be the same.
Geographiclly it is easier and financially more lucrative for the Hungarians to go up the Danube and into South-Germany, thats why they did it in OTL :)
Henry the Folwer would not exist if the Saxons convert to chrisitanity in the middle of the 8th Century...
 
I see no reason why the history of the Franks should not include the "campus mendacii" and therefore the splitting of the country in three.
Maybe, if they are successful against the Spanish Moslems the actual border changes (a Kingdom of Spain, a Kingdom of France and a Kingdom of Germany/Italy) but the outcome of an independent France and Germany would be the same.
Geographiclly it is easier and financially more lucrative for the Hungarians to go up the Danube and into South-Germany, thats why they did it in OTL :)
Henry the Folwer would not exist if the Saxons convert to chrisitanity in the middle of the 8th Century...

The Frankish kings did have a habit to divide their kingdom, but it also re-united at various points.
No Henry the Fowler ITTL, but also no Otto the Great (his son) and nomadic tribes like the early Magyars, might also encounter a different situation in the Pannonian Plain; and even the Saxons will face their own problems. Anyway POD will determine how much it will diverge from OTL (a POD during the time of Clovis or Charles Martel has a different impact).
 
The Frankish kings did have a habit to divide their kingdom, but it also re-united at various points.
No Henry the Fowler ITTL, but also no Otto the Great (his son) and nomadic tribes like the early Magyars, might also encounter a different situation in the Pannonian Plain; and even the Saxons will face their own problems. Anyway POD will determine how much it will diverge from OTL (a POD during the time of Clovis or Charles Martel has a different impact).

I am going to take this as e request;)

POD: right after the death of Dagobert I
(being the last "powerfull merovingian")

 
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