PC: Pan-Soviet Identity?

Yugoslavia was working well towards this until Tito died. When he died the whole Yugoslavic principles were thrown aside. Mostly because a lack of a strongman after his death.

Plus the whole point isn't a multi-national society, its a Uni-national society. With one Soviet identity.

I know how well Yugoslavia worked during the Cold War. Kind of a sad irony that Bosnia considered itself more Yugoslav than any of the other republics, and yet turned out to be the bloodiest when the federation dissolved.
 
The link doesn't show up at all.

Ach. Well, it was to a general pattern of poster which I've seen in many variations: showing the Red Army liberating Ukraine, complete with pronouncedly Ukrainian imagery (the fertile fields, women in the whole crazy peasant costume thing, Khmelnytsky, etcetera) with a caption about something something Soviet Ukraine written in Russian.

Similar things, and a few other pieces of internationalism, with some extremely 'Russian' and - especially later in the war - some anational 'Soviet' stuff, can all be found here. Donskoi, Suvorov, etcetera are all over the place in 1941-2, but don't show up to the victory celebrations, which are red-draped.
 
Thanks for the link, does it have other nations propaganda posters available as well, or is it all Soviet.

There are several other galleries on the site, mostly Soviet or German, however. There's one of German posters encouraging collaboration: it's rather bizarre to see German propaganda written in Russian, Serbian, and Polish.
 

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Yes assimilation to a Russian identity. The thread is about a completely new combined Soviet culture.
Eh, it's... well, given how Russians and even more quite similar eastern Slavs demographically dominated SU, it's bound to be successor to Russian culture. And i'd argue that SU tried to make the "new man".
 
The Soviets did attempt to create this identity IOTL, the attempt was only somewhat successful. The very creation of SSRs drawn on ethnic lines limited any attempt to make this succeed but the formation of SSRs on ethnic lines was the primary factor that enabled the Reds to tap into the ethnic minorities during the Civil War with the Whites and survive that war. A successful variant of such identity requires changes going all the way back to the origins of the USSR out of the Tsarist Empire itself.
 
The Soviets did attempt to create this identity IOTL, the attempt was only somewhat successful. The very creation of SSRs drawn on ethnic lines limited any attempt to make this succeed but the formation of SSRs on ethnic lines was the primary factor that enabled the Reds to tap into the ethnic minorities during the Civil War with the Whites and survive that war. A successful variant of such identity requires changes going all the way back to the origins of the USSR out of the Tsarist Empire itself.

Thank you. Would Trotsky being in charge, and I know how this board feels about a Trotskyist Soviet Union but just humor me on this, help the matter at all? It was Stalin's idea to divide the USSR even more than it was already.
 
Thank you. Would Trotsky being in charge, and I know how this board feels about a Trotskyist Soviet Union but just humor me on this, help the matter at all? It was Stalin's idea to divide the USSR even more than it was already.

I don't think so, no. Trotsky was far too much the urban revolutionary to really handle the peasantry or nationalities crisis in any manner improving on Stalin's successes and far more likely in fact to produce a major crisis from his failings outpacing Stalin's worst effects on the USSR.
 
I don't think so, no. Trotsky was far too much the urban revolutionary to really handle the peasantry or nationalities crisis in any manner improving on Stalin's successes and far more likely in fact to produce a major crisis from his failings outpacing Stalin's worst effects on the USSR.

So what would happen? Civil War?
 
So what would happen? Civil War?

I doubt civil war, primarily because peasants usually don't do *that* in Russia or in the USSR. What's probably more likely is some convoluted intrigues at the top culminating in Trotsky's fall to be replaced with someone else, like perhaps Bukharin. I'm assuming however Trotsky survives Stalin's either dying or not being around is crucial for that to happen.
 
I doubt civil war, primarily because peasants usually don't do *that* in Russia or in the USSR. What's probably more likely is some convoluted intrigues at the top culminating in Trotsky's fall to be replaced with someone else, like perhaps Bukharin. I'm assuming however Trotsky survives Stalin's either dying or not being around is crucial for that to happen.

In my TL, Stalin is in exile in Turkey, supplying Georgian rebels with weapons.
 
Not really, one example of how it didn't happen would be Stalins division of the Soviet Union along ethnic lines. It also stressed if anything, the domination of the Russian language.

Uh, Russian was already spoken by most of the Soviet poplation without any extra help from the Bolsheviks.:confused:

Plus without how are say a Georgian and a Tajik going to speak to each other? In parctical terms Russian was needed. After all Stalin had to lean it in order to later run the country.
 
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