PC: Medieval "Dorne" in Europe or the Middle East

Were there any absolute primogeniture territories prior to the 1600s?
Plenty of male preference primogeniture lands that allowed eldest daughters in absence of any sons but not any first born whatever.
 
In Dorne it would reach extreme, like Dayne could marry only another Dayne.
In practice there are so many ways to omit such inherterance rules that they'd be dead laws-oldest daughter would be forced into priesthood, not allowed to marry (GRRM himself gave example of father who wants to disinherit his legal heir sending him to the Wall) etc.
Most European medieval monarchies didn't have strict rules about succession, pretenders with best genealogical claims not always get the throne, especially if they were women-Stephen of Blois was not only behind Matilda looking by blood connections to Henry I-he also has older brother.
Yes true but typically you had the eldest son inherit.
 
Were there any absolute primogeniture territories prior to the 1600s?
Plenty of male preference primogeniture lands that allowed eldest daughters in absence of any sons but not any first born whatever.
There were some monarchies (but rather tribal ones) where throne passed from uncle to nephew (sister's son) under premise that it is clear who is kid's mother but with father there could be some doubts. But absolute primogeniture? I've never heard about any example before 20th century.
 
Were there any absolute primogeniture territories prior to the 1600s?
Plenty of male preference primogeniture lands that allowed eldest daughters in absence of any sons but not any first born whatever.

There were some monarchies (but rather tribal ones) where throne passed from uncle to nephew (sister's son) under premise that it is clear who is kid's mother but with father there could be some doubts. But absolute primogeniture? I've never heard about any example before 20th century.

To quote Wiki: "According to Poumarede (1972), the Basques of the Kingdom of Navarre transmitted title and property to the firstborn regardless of sex."

Whether accurate it is questionable, but the fact we question it seems to indicate how rare it was.
 
Yes true but typically you had the eldest son inherit.
Only where their father was king. Primogeniture tended to be stricter on non royal territory due to European kings needing to be of age and suitable for the sacral side.
Compare where uncles succeeded underage sons of older princes/infantes or where being a practicing cleric removed one from the succession.
Compare electoral kingship such as Bohemia or Holy Roman Empire where kinship only made you a candidate not a successor.
 
Only where their father was king. Primogeniture tended to be stricter on non royal territory due to European kings needing to be of age and suitable for the sacral side.
Compare where uncles succeeded underage sons of older princes/infantes or where being a practicing cleric removed one from the succession.
Compare electoral kingship such as Bohemia or Holy Roman Empire where kinship only made you a candidate not a successor.
All true yes, it was a generalisation and as with all generalisation has plently of exceptions
 
To quote Wiki: "According to Poumarede (1972), the Basques of the Kingdom of Navarre transmitted title and property to the firstborn regardless of sex."

Whether accurate it is questionable, but the fact we question it seems to indicate how rare it was.
And yet never happened after Sancho III "King of all Iberia":
Beatrice was older than Henry I of Navarre, it took the death of Charles I for Joan II to succeed, Blanche was older than Charles II, Maria than Charles III, etc etc.
 
Dorne exists as a reference to OTL Jutes who settled in Kent and were therefore different than the Angles and Saxons in the rest of England. The fact they are made even more "exotic" and Middle Eastern has no bearing on why Dorne exists where it does on the map and why it is placed as so different. Dornish people are descended from Rhoynish people... Jutes in Kent were strongly influenced by Rhenish continental styles... and of course the geographical location affinities.
 
Dorne exists as a reference to OTL Jutes who settled in Kent and were therefore different than the Angles and Saxons in the rest of England. The fact they are made even more "exotic" and Middle Eastern has no bearing on why Dorne exists where it does on the map and why it is placed as so different. Dornish people are descended from Rhoynish people... Jutes in Kent were strongly influenced by Rhenish continental styles... and of course the geographical location affinities.
Another one to add to the list!
Andalusia - more liberal culture
Wales/Brittany - semiautonomous ethnic minority on edge of state, Brythonic name of the state, princely title
Navarre/Brittany - female inheritance and kinship with ruling house
Kent - geography, Rhine/Rhoynar similarity
 
Another one to add to the list!
Andalusia - more liberal culture

I wouldn't say that Andalusia had a more liberal culture just a culture that was more pluralistic for historical reasons. The real Dorne-Andalusia similarity is the climate and "style" point.
 
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