PC:Confederacy captures Mexico,Attempts Massive Irrigation Project?

No Mexico fought a multi year war where they were repeatedly defeated on the battlefield after quite a lot of struggle and had their capital occupied and lost territory with less population than most of the states that are usually mentioned have in 1860

No if Maxi is in charge then Mexico is a puppet of France, which as it is said has interests not allies

What does France gain by selling the CSA that territory besides money they don't need that much?

But pretty much ever since then the Mexican government (or whoever was in charge) has rolled over to the US.

If Maxi is in control of Mexico, it is still an ally of the CSA, whether de-facto or not, Maximillian has not and will not do anything against the CSA if they are also a French ally/interest and the CSA won't do anything against them.

What does France seriously even LOSE by selling Sonora, Chihuahua and Nuevo Leon? Those territories are ones the CSA wants, and they have been bastions of rebellion against the French in some cases, and pro-CSA in others.
 
But pretty much ever since then the Mexican government (or whoever was in charge) has rolled over to the US.

If Maxi is in control of Mexico, it is still an ally of the CSA, whether de-facto or not, Maximillian has not and will not do anything against the CSA if they are also a French ally/interest and the CSA won't do anything against them.

What does France seriously even LOSE by selling Sonora, Chihuahua and Nuevo Leon? Those territories are ones the CSA wants, and they have been bastions of rebellion against the French in some cases, and pro-CSA in others.
And how far has the US pushed Mexico? Aside from the Gadsen Purchase, which is smaller than anything you keep advocating, no territory has been demanded and most of the serious stuff took place post 1900

Even selling the Gadsen purchase had a lot of backlash in Mexico and was one of the major factors in Santa Anna having to flee the country

France loses the ability to dominate CS Pacific trade, loses credibility with the people of Mexico (selling out to the Gringos), loses access to whatever resources are there and has to spend more money propping up Maximillian thanks to the lost credibility, at a time where the French Government was loathe to spend money on the Army and has problems right next door, and loses the ability to hit the rebels at will since they are now in a foreign country
 
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And how far has the US pushed Mexico? Aside from the Gadsen Purchase, which is smaller than anything you keep advocating, no territory has been demanded and most of the serious stuff took place post 1900

Even selling the Gadsen purchase had a lot of backlash in Mexico and was one of the major factors in Santa Anna having to flee the country

France loses the ability to dominate CS Pacific trade, loses credibility with the people of Mexico (selling out to the Gringos), loses access to whatever resources are there and has to spend more money propping up Maximillian thanks to the lost credibility, at a time where the French Government was loathe to spend money on the Army and has problems right next door, and loses the ability to hit the rebels at will since they are now in a foreign country

Exactly, the French have far more to lose than gain. Besides which the CSA would have nowhere near enough money to buy it anyways.
 
And how far has the US pushed Mexico? Aside from the Gadsen Purchase, which is smaller than anything you keep advocating, no territory has been demanded and most of the serious stuff took place post 1900

Even selling the Gadsen purchase had a lot of backlash in Mexico and was one of the major factors in Santa Anna having to flee the country

France loses the ability to dominate CS Pacific trade, loses credibility with the people of Mexico (selling out to the Gringos), loses access to whatever resources are there and has to spend more money propping up Maximillian thanks to the lost credibility, at a time where the French Government was loathe to spend money on the Army and has problems right next door, and loses the ability to hit the rebels at will since they are now in a foreign country

The fact that whatever happens here in the states, has drastic effects down there. Economically, they are joined at the hip to us, every civil war Mexico has had involved battling for the far northern cities of Mexico. When the United States says "jump" you can guarantee Mexico jumps.

After the CSA gains independence, they are going to try talks and fillibustering for Sonora, Chihuahua and Nuevo Leon right off the bat, and this is going to continue from the end of the Civil War to at least 1900. This also depends on who becomes CS president during these times, you could very well see President James Longstreet negotiating the territories with Maximillian 20 years after the Civil War.

France may have lost credibility with the Mexicans, but where would Mexico's major roads and railroads lead to, the CSA. Where does much of it's economic dependency lie, France and the CSA. Who's military is sitting on Mexico, and Emperor on the thrown, France. And who's military waiting for any bandits or rebels wanting to strike French Mexico from the other side? The CSA. The CSA would indeed have to send frontier forces out to take care of the rebels and the Yaqui, but that will be long after any internal insurrections in the east were pacified. While the French do lose their hold over CS Pacific trade, the CS was pushing for a Pacific coast since it's war of independence, it's an issue that is GOING to be pushed.
 
The fact that whatever happens here in the states, has drastic effects down there. Economically, they are joined at the hip to us, every civil war Mexico has had involved battling for the far northern cities of Mexico. When the United States says "jump" you can guarantee Mexico jumps.

After the CSA gains independence, they are going to try talks and fillibustering for Sonora, Chihuahua and Nuevo Leon right off the bat, and this is going to continue from the end of the Civil War to at least 1900. This also depends on who becomes CS president during these times, you could very well see President James Longstreet negotiating the territories with Maximillian 20 years after the Civil War.

France may have lost credibility with the Mexicans, but where would Mexico's major roads and railroads lead to, the CSA. Where does much of it's economic dependency lie, France and the CSA. Who's military is sitting on Mexico, and Emperor on the thrown, France. And who's military waiting for any bandits or rebels wanting to strike French Mexico from the other side? The CSA. The CSA would indeed have to send frontier forces out to take care of the rebels and the Yaqui, but that will be long after any internal insurrections in the east were pacified. While the French do lose their hold over CS Pacific trade, the CS was pushing for a Pacific coast since it's war of independence, it's an issue that is GOING to be pushed.
Why would the CSA spend money it is not overly possessed of to hunt people who aren't fighting them, the US and Canada, Mexico and Guatemala, Mexico and Britain and US and Mexico OTL did not cooperate on hunting Natives and Rebels over their borders, what makes the CSA different?

CSA may push it, but trying does not mean succes, France is likely to veto it, being able to tell the CSA "do this or we slap a 10% surcharge on your pacific trade" [in much more diplomatic langauge] is a huge tool France would be loathe to give up, likewise selling it will make their rebellion worse, and require more troops, at a time when the French legislature was not willing to fork over the cash

What does France gain, money she does not need, favor of a nation that is more dependent on them than vice versa

This all becomes moot if something in Europe, either War or Napoleon III falling out of office [messing in Mexico was his baby] causes France to withdraw their troops, Maxi did not have a Mexican base of support, he was too liberal for the conservatives and too conservative for the liberals, and whoever takes over after Maxi won't sell
 
Why would the CSA spend money it is not overly possessed of to hunt people who aren't fighting them, the US and Canada, Mexico and Guatemala, Mexico and Britain and US and Mexico OTL did not cooperate on hunting Natives and Rebels over their borders, what makes the CSA different?

CSA may push it, but trying does not mean succes, France is likely to veto it, being able to tell the CSA "do this or we slap a 10% surcharge on your pacific trade" [in much more diplomatic langauge] is a huge tool France would be loathe to give up, likewise selling it will make their rebellion worse, and require more troops, at a time when the French legislature was not willing to fork over the cash

What does France gain, money she does not need, favor of a nation that is more dependent on them than vice versa

This all becomes moot if something in Europe, either War or Napoleon III falling out of office [messing in Mexico was his baby] causes France to withdraw their troops, Maxi did not have a Mexican base of support, he was too liberal for the conservatives and too conservative for the liberals, and whoever takes over after Maxi won't sell

Also if the CSA gets too pushy France blockades its coasts. If the CSA fights France and Mexico, which is likely in his scenario, the USA is likely to come down from the north and west to retake everything.
 
Well, when the Stars and Stripes came over the horizon, Mexico did kind of...roll over, and now they are economically dependent on us, I can see Mexico having a similar relationship with the CS.

1865 is not 1848. The CSA is not the US. The Confederacy has no navy to speak of. The Confederacy has 39% of the population the US did in 1850. 10% of draft age Confederates are serving in the Union Army.
The Confederacy has 16% of the manufacturing the US did in 1850. Mexican population has risen 18% since the last war. The Confederacy never succeeded in any attempt to seize and hold enemy territory, let alone produced a general with offensive successes like Zachery Taylor or Winfield Scott. The Mexican military is no longer crippled by the grossly inept leadership of Santa Anna. And military technology of the 1860s strongly favors the defense.

France failed to conquer Mexico, even though they had 4 times the the population of the Confederacy.

If Maxi is in charge of Mexico, they won't need to roll over and die, they are already allies with the CSA.

Why would France ally with the Confederacy? Why would they maintain that alliance after the American Civil War? France didn't form a long-term alliance until 1894 in OTL. Why would France sell part of Mexico to the Confederacy?

That depends if Maximillian is in charge of Mexico, because if he's in charge with French backing, they are CS allies by default (and Maxi was a bit of a CSA fanboy).

Maximilian never recognized the Confederacy, let alone allied with them, though he did actively seek recognition from the Union. The closest Maximilian came was trading with the Confederacy and offering land to self-exiled Confederates in return for their support, but he was making this offer to Germans, Austrians, French, and indeed any immigrant willing to support his regime.

France had no reason to seek a formal alliance with the Confederacy. The most they considered was diplomatic recognition, but only if Britain was going to recognize the Confederacy.
 
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