PC: catholic majority area in Great Britain = separatist movement

Had a decently sized area of the British mainland remained Catholic would a separatist movement similar to Ireland developed

If there was a separatist movement would they been able to break away at some point through force of arms
 

Brunaburh

Gone Fishin'
POD is so far back in time that the answer is "sure, why not??". I don't think England can be considered an inviolable united nation if we have POD's in the 16th or early 17th (which is what you need). Your best bet is Lancashire and the north riding of Yorkshire, they were very Catholic quite late OTL.
 
POD is so far back in time that the answer is "sure, why not??". I don't think England can be considered an inviolable united nation if we have POD's in the 16th or early 17th (which is what you need). Your best bet is Lancashire and the north riding of Yorkshire, they were very Catholic quite late OTL.

You realise both those areas had shit all people?
 
You realise both those areas had shit all people?

exactly, the areas like cornwall and north yorkshire and lancashire that are most suited to retaining catholicism will also lack the urban educated population needed for a separate national identity to be formed, and in later centuries the industrial power needed to sustain that independent state.
 
Wouldn't York work for yorkshire
If you're specifically talking about North Yorkshire being catholic I don't think York would be included in that area.

Having all of Yorkshire remain catholic would be a massive change to British politics and would more likely result in religious conflict e.g. Northerners attempt to appoint a catholic king, not Yorkshire attempts to secede
 
If you're specifically talking about North Yorkshire being catholic I don't think York would be included in that area.

Having all of Yorkshire remain catholic would be a massive change to British politics and would more likely result in religious conflict e.g. Northerners attempt to appoint a catholic king, not Yorkshire attempts to secede

That suddenly gave me a bit of inspiration for a story.

Is there any POD that might keep Yorkshire largely Catholic?
 
That suddenly gave me a bit of inspiration for a story.

Is there any POD that might keep Yorkshire largely Catholic?

Im sure others will have better PODS but the pilgrimage of grace showed a pretty pan class support for the church in that area

I just think a catholic majority Yorkshire would not result in separatist wars but simply more religious wars in England itself.

I'd love to read any story about that u write it's an interesting concept
 
Having all of Yorkshire remain catholic would be a massive change to British politics and would more likely result in religious conflict e.g. Northerners attempt to appoint a catholic king, not Yorkshire attempts to secede
The Irish backed different British kings that were religiously tolerant or catholic during the 1600s and they eventually developed an independence movement, why couldn't a catholic Yorkshire do something similar.
 

Brunaburh

Gone Fishin'
You realise both those areas had shit all people?

Comparatively more than today, in the case of North Yorkshire, comparatively less in the case of Lancashire. Population density in the English countryside was higher than it is today, but without Liverpool, Manchester and the mill towns as major population centres we lose a hell of a lot of comparative density.
 
The Irish backed different British kings that were religiously tolerant or catholic during the 1600s and they eventually developed an independence movement, why couldn't a catholic Yorkshire do something similar.
Because people in Yorkshire see themselves as English, the Irish don't.
 
Well they did rebel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrimage_of_Grace

The trouble with the OP is that although there was religious conflict in Great Britain and Ireland, the Catholic / anti-government forces were always weaker than the establishment. I can't even see a way that you could get a breakaway protestant state co-existing with a catholic one - Monmouth's rebellion against James II was crushed pretty quickly too.

The only way you could get a Catholic independent state would be OTL where Ireland broke away - difficult to see this being sustainable until modern times though. God knows it was tried often enough.
 
Had a decently sized area of the British mainland remained Catholic would a separatist movement similar to Ireland developed

If there was a separatist movement would they been able to break away at some point through force of arms
Maybe a Catholic Cornwall or Devonshire ?
 
Maybe a Catholic Cornwall or Devonshire ?
Who were the most strongly protestant in OTL?

Catholicism tended to be supported by the elite more than the masses (huge generalisation but broadly true) and it's heartland was in the North-west and midlands among the great Lords. Hence the Jacobite tactic of marching towards the supposed English catholic heartlands in 1745 - only nobody came.
 
Because people in Yorkshire see themselves as English, the Irish don't.
There have been religious separatist movements like Pakistan and ethnic movement based on religion or heavy based on it like in the Balkans couldn't Yorkshire do something similar
 

Brunaburh

Gone Fishin'
Because people in Yorkshire see themselves as English, the Irish don't.

That can change very easily. If you asked people in Yorkshire whether they feel more Yorkshire or more English, you wouldn't get many takers for English. For the purposes of this thread, there is nothing improbable about new identities being created.
 
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