PC: Anne of York, Queen of France?

For the TL in my signature, I'm at a loss for what to do with Anne of York (b.1475), daughter of Edward IV. Her eldest sisters are already married to Joao II of Portugal (Elizabeth); Fransez II, Duke of Brittany (Mary) and the future king of Scots (Cecily). I originally had her slated for marriage to the son of Fernando & Isabel (TTL b.1475).

Anne of Brittany is off the cards as a wife for Charles VIII since she has a brother - Richard, comte d'Etampes. Ergo, she's no heiress, and the French are willing to allow her to marry elsewhere, so long as the comte d'Etampes marries a French bride.

Likewise, Elizabeth of York's marriage to Joao II has screwed the pooch for a Spanish match for Edward IV's daughters, since Joao was slated to wed the eldest daughter of Fernando & Isabel (after his divorce from La Beltraneja was finalized). Ergo, Isabel, already disliking Joao II for backing her rival, now dislikes him even more for rejecting her namesake daughter. Plus, she bears a grudge against Edward IV for jilting her and marrying Elizabeth Wydeville. So Anne's chances to wind up in Spain are effectively nil.

The duke of Burgundy (only child of Charles the Bold and Margaret of York) is Anne's first cousin, and Edward IV and his sister are currently on the outs, since the Diabolical Duchess is hosting the earl of Warwick, and resentful of Edward's judicial murder of George, duke of Clarence. So I don't foresee a match between these two cousins (also, Margaret is looking to wed her son to Anne of Brittany or Philippa of Guelders).

Charles VIII likewise has rather limited options with regards to brides. He's currently engaged to Fernando-Isabel's eldest daughter, but Fernando is looking for a way out of it. So, say Fernando does find a way out of the engagement (which I'm planning) this leaves Charles once again single. With Catherine of Navarre married, and Margaret of Austria born male, would Anne of York be considered for future Queen of France?
 
I forget - where were Anglo-French relations at last update?

They're not "terrible". However, Edward IV has just recovered and Louis XI is at death's door with a technically adult but still very young heir, and with Annie being the eldest unwed of Edward's daughters (plus sister to the duchess of Brittany and cousin to the duke of Burgundy) I'm thinking that Paris is hoping that such a match will neutralize/buy-off both of those monarchs.
 
So Annie gets Chaz.

Would Emperor Maximilian still be interested in a Spanish match for Philipp/Friedrich (his two sons) without Burgundy? Or would he go for a different slant? Maybe a Polish/Danish match for one of them @krieger, @Jan Olbracht @Jürgen @Milites.

And where might Anne of Brittany end up? Edward IV's isn't overly interested in her since a) Anne has a brother and b) her dad's just remarried to Edward's second daughter. The duke of Burgundy is showing interest (as are Fernando and Isabel for their eldest son (b.1475)). But I have a feeling that the French might stand on the idea of a Burgundian match - don't need an accidental personal union between Brittany and Burgundy.
 
So Annie gets Chaz.

Would Emperor Maximilian still be interested in a Spanish match for Philipp/Friedrich (his two sons) without Burgundy? Or would he go for a different slant? Maybe a Polish/Danish match for one of them @krieger, @Jan Olbracht @Jürgen @Milites.

And where might Anne of Brittany end up? Edward IV's isn't overly interested in her since a) Anne has a brother and b) her dad's just remarried to Edward's second daughter. The duke of Burgundy is showing interest (as are Fernando and Isabel for their eldest son (b.1475)). But I have a feeling that the French might stand on the idea of a Burgundian match - don't need an accidental personal union between Brittany and Burgundy.

Anne of Brittany and Juan of Asturias could work quite well, I think, though I am sure it would make the French VERY nervous.
 

krieger

Banned
So Annie gets Chaz.

Would Emperor Maximilian still be interested in a Spanish match for Philipp/Friedrich (his two sons) without Burgundy? Or would he go for a different slant? Maybe a Polish/Danish match for one of them @krieger, @Jan Olbracht @Jürgen @Milites.

And where might Anne of Brittany end up? Edward IV's isn't overly interested in her since a) Anne has a brother and b) her dad's just remarried to Edward's second daughter. The duke of Burgundy is showing interest (as are Fernando and Isabel for their eldest son (b.1475)). But I have a feeling that the French might stand on the idea of a Burgundian match - don't need an accidental personal union between Brittany and Burgundy.
No. Without Burgundy Spanish match is practically useless for Habsburgs. I'd say that Max could marry one of daughters of Casimir IV.
 
One of Casimir IV's daughters for Max is likely, propably Sophia, OTL Margravine of Ansbach.

No. Without Burgundy Spanish match is practically useless for Habsburgs. I'd say that Max could marry one of daughters of Casimir IV.

Max is already married to Marie as OTL. So no change there. Except that she might not die by fatal horse-riding accident here. They have two boys - Philipp and Friedrich - so far.

@Kellan Sullivan, Could you pass me a link to this TL, please? For some reason, I can't see it in your signature, and I am intrigued..
Cheers!

The Red Princess

Anne of Brittany and Juan of Asturias could work quite well, I think, though I am sure it would make the French VERY nervous.

Well, since Anne isn't heiress to Brittany, it probably isn't going to make them too nervous. And they're sorta running low on single princes du sang to wed her. Charles d'Angoulême (father of OTL François I) has married Catherine of Navarre (aunt of Anne of Brittany). The duc d'Orléans is in disfavour after his sister (Anne) wed the duc de Bourbon (Anne of Beaujeu has wed a surviving Nicolas d'Anjou), plus OTL Louis XII is already married (not that that stopped him OTL from making a play for Anne's hand in the 1480s or 1490s). Options are basically limited to Charles VIII and Anne of Beaujeu's son, Jean, duc d'Anjou.

Anne of Brittany is also a niece of Ferdinand of Aragon...making Juan and Anne cousins.

But that is good.

Great-niece (her mom is Leonor of Navarre's daughter). So first cousins once-removed. And IMO this is exactly the last thing that the Trastamaras need. More inbreeding. I'm keeping a Spanish match on a backburner, though.
 

krieger

Banned
Max is already married to Marie as OTL. So no change there. Except that she might not die by fatal horse-riding accident here. They have two boys - Philipp and Friedrich - so far.

I misunderstood you, but if Max is married to Marie why isn't he a ruler of Burgundy? Does Charles the Bold have a son ITTL? If so, the youngest daughter of Casimir IV is likely for Philip. Friedrich would marry elsewhere.
 
I misunderstood you, but if Max is married to Marie why isn't he a ruler of Burgundy? Does Charles the Bold have a son ITTL? If so, the youngest daughter of Casimir IV is likely for Philip. Friedrich would marry elsewhere.

Charles had a son by Margaret of York, yes.

How about a tentative betrothal between Anna of Poland and Philipp, while Max maybe considers an Italian/German match for Friedrich?
 

krieger

Banned
Charles had a son by Margaret of York, yes.

How about a tentative betrothal between Anna of Poland and Philipp, while Max maybe considers an Italian/German match for Friedrich?

It could work, but who else would Boguslav X of Pomerania marry? If Marie avoided her horse-riding accident, than Friderich could marry Bianca Maria Sforza instead of his dad. And we could still meddle with Cas's IV family, the second eldest son of Casimir IV, also named Casimir was still alive during the POD, and he was betrothed to Kungigunde of Austria.
 
Sorry if I am a little late here but: Anne of York for Charles VIII here is a pretty logical choice.
Anne of Brittany as Duchess of Burgundy can work but Philippa of Guelders is likely to be a better match (so maybe she can end as second wife of the Duke of Orleans?)
Bianca Maria Sforza is too old for any son of Max but maybe we can keep her Savoy’s cousin and first husband alive?
For Max sons I think who Friedrich (the younger right?) can marry a Polish princess while a Spanish match for the eldest is still in the card... Burgundy or not Spain and Austria have reasons for allying, with all that York girls around finding the right husbands for their girls will not be easy for Ferdinand and Isabella (plus Max’s mother was a princess of Portugal so I can not se why an Iberian match is out of cards)... Still the eldest son of Max called Philip as OTL sound pretty unlikely for me...
 
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