A thing to note about Russia potentially starting large scale persecutions of its Jewish population is that to even approach the scale of the Holocaust, you need a government utterly committed to the idea. Antisemitic violence had been a common occurrence and even tool of Tsarist Russia. You need some special circumstances and people in power to really kick it into overdrive.
PC/AHC: Delayed WWI - Can Imperial Germany go Nazi?
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I know, the issue is just the potential flamebait of yet another "german jewish state"
Maybe they could tone it down to a more realistic area
One name for the proposal was the "League of East European States" (Osteuropaeisches Staatsbund) ... perhaps an "Osteuropaeisches StaDtsbund" would've worked better
since there were numerous cities and towns in the Pale that were majority or plurality Jewish...I don't really see anything Holocaust-level happening in a surviving Tsardom or alt-White Russia... I could however see policies so unfavourable to the Jews (along with the occasional "unorganized" [ahem] pogrom), that the political climate is made so unpleasant as to drive as many out as possible...
While I like the idea of working on a collab, I'll have to pass
between work and the normal crazy shit that goes on in my life, I wouldn't make a very reliable collaborator... combine that with an innate lack of incentive and lazy streak a mile wide, and... you get the picture However, I'm sure there are some on here that are more knowledgeable than I am, and may have the time to put into it... Good luck if you decide to tackle this project!
Thats what I was saying. You need very special circumstances to get smth even approaching that magnitude. Which even an Alt-WW1 likely wouldn't provide.
There is one easy way to find out @CalBear would you have a problem with this? I think it would be less likely to be flame bait then they seem to think but you would know better than me.
A lot of the ideas referenced here remind me of the excellent timeline Es Geloybte Aretz by @carltonbach, which has a PoD where Wilhelm II dies soon after becoming Kaiser and is succeeded by his son Wilhelm III with a regency led by his uncle Prince Albert. This results in Germany being less bellicose on the world stage and avoiding many of the antagonistic actions that led to WWI. Instead, they fight two wars with the Russian Empire and carve out a Kingdom of Poland that becomes a haven for Eastern European Jews. While antisemitism continues to be an endemic problem in German society and right-wing “völkische” parties are boosted by figures like Alfred Hugenberg, there is no direct analogue to the Nazis because even the most virulently intolerant parties stay within the established status quo rather than attempting to kill off everyone they don’t like. Russia, in contrast, becomes “integralist” (ie. similar to fascist but with heavier reliance on existing institutions like the tsardom and the Orthodox Church) under the Patriotic Union and conducts several pogroms against Jews and other minorities within their borders. However, this brutality is far more disorganized than the industrial slaughter perpetrated by the Nazis. Overall, not trying to stop you from writing your own timeline by any means, but I definitely think Es Geloybte Aretz is worth a read!