PC: actual Islamic Fascism

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Saddam's regime comes to mind, as do the thugs in Tehran.

Saddam comes close on many counts, but for a long time he was decidedly not Islamic. Tehran doesn't tick like that, however much Ahmedinejad would like the role, they're not auditioning for a Führer.
 

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Saddam comes close on many counts, but for a long time he was decidedly not Islamic.
I ought to have specified: his last 15 years or so were decidedly fascistic and had very conscious Islamic overtones. Remember too how Saddam added the Shahadah to the flag of Iraq.
Tehran doesn't tick like that, however much Ahmedinejad would like the role, they're not auditioning for a Führer.
I'm less sure about this than I once was. Khamenei is 73, after all. Not that Ahmadinejad is the boss, but the Pasdaran (which is for all intents and purposes a fascist paramilitary) has increased its power over Iran. The clerics' main counterweight to their power--the Basij--has been absorbed by the Pasdaran, for example. And we all know what a farce the Iranian elections are.
 
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Why havent the Iranian military merged with the IRGC ?
 

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Why havent the Iranian military merged with the IRGC ?
Why would the Pasdaran leaders want to share power with the generals, especially when it comes to the nuclear program? Similarly, why would the military want to open things up to further infiltration by arms of the Pasdaran?
 

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How is the regular army treated in Iran?
Currently? As largely subordinate to the Pasdaran now that the Basij are out of the picture and the IRGC have begun to expand their military capabilities.

It is very much an SA/Wehrmact competition only this time the SA is winning.
 

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So when will the Supreme leader be a puppet of the IRGC?
 
Aiding the Nazis doesn't make someone a facist - my God, the current Israeli government is descended from a faction that sent fan mail to Adolf Hitler during WW2! Although that might not be the best example...

Nor is "facist" a synonym for "I don't like these people" or "nasty"!

Really? That's very interesting do you have any links to this story?
 
Saddam's regime comes to mind, as do the thugs in Tehran.

Saddam might be called a fascist, but not Islamic fascist. He was totally secular in his initial years. He was against Al-Qaeda and had brutally suppressed the Islamists before his Kuwait adventure. It was only when he started fighting U.S. that he adopted some Islamic trappings, and that was pure opportunism to get the support of the religiously oriented Iraqis. He was never an Islamist by his convictions.
 
I know of Muslims who served as Nazi Soldiers

13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian)
had some Bosniak Muslim's serving in it.

And here lists some influences of Nazism onto Arab politics, which can travel into Arab Muslim politics.

I know of some Hindus that served as Nazi soldiers, and there are known influences of Nazi sympathisers in the Indian independence movement. That doesn't mean Nehru was a fascist.

The Bosnian SS could foreshadow a fascist Muslim state built up in Bosnia, but that would be Nazi-flavour Fascism accommodating itself to Islam the same way it did to Catholicism in Croatia and Slovakia. Looking at the postwar Arab states, regardless of their fascist influences (which obviously existed), they are much more similar to Socialist authoritarian regimes than fascist ones. And many explicitly repudiated Islam until it became too influential a political force to ignore. I think if you're looking for fascist influence post WWII, the dictatorships of Latin America are the more promising place.
 
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