PC: A plebiscite in Alsace-Lorraine in exchange for a separate peace during WWI?

CaliGuy

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Germany would not dream of offering such a peace unless her situation were truly desperate--in which case of course the French would not dream of accepting.

So, if Germany would have avoided resuming USW and thus avoided causing the U.S. to enter WWI, you don't think that even a more rational German leadership would have been willing to offer France a plebiscite in Alsace-Lorraine?

Interestingly, there did at one point appear to be the chance of reconciliation between Alsace-Lorraine's inhabitants and the German government. The increasing anticlericalism of the French government after the Dreyfus affair alienated many Alsace-Lorrainers. This made post-Kulturkampf German policy toward the church look more attractive (indeed, even during the days of the Kulturkampf the 1801 concordat had not been disturbed in A-L). After 1900, therefore, the clerical party in A-L looked forward to an autonomous A-L within the German empire. The ituation of the pro-French "irreconcilables" seemed desperate. "By 1911 a new constitution was granted which opened the way for the Reichsland, as it was called, to become an equal among the members of the empire. Provision was made for a bicameral Landtag and a vote in the imperial federal council. There was still plenty of dissatisfaction but the first election seemed to indicate that the government party had the majority." (1957 Encyclopedia Britannica article "Alsace-Lorraine")

Question--would it have been possible for a more rational German leadership to make such changes (autonomy for Alsace-Lorraine, et cetera) much earlier?

This opportunity for reconciliation, however, did not last long; as an exposed part of the Empire, A-L was heavily garrisoned, clashes between civilians and the military authorities were inevitable, and the most notorious, the Saverne incident of 1913, did much to destroy any good will toward the German regime. So offering a genuinely fair plebiscite after 1914 would be the same thing as giving A-L to France--while the French would be very suspicious that the Germans would rig the plebiscite, and in any event would fear that a German state that had crushed Russia and made itself master of all Europe east of the Rhine could always take back A-L anyway.

What about if Germany would have offered to have a neutral country such as Switzerland administer this plebiscite?

Also, Yes, I get your point that Germany--even a democratic Germany--could backstab France later on in regards to this. However, if the U.S. remains neutral in WWI (due to no USW), would France and Britain really insist on fighting to the bitter end as opposed to seeking a compromise peace with Germany?
 
So, if Germany would have avoided resuming USW and thus avoided causing the U.S. to enter WWI, you don't think that even a more rational German leadership would have been willing to offer France a plebiscite in Alsace-Lorraine?
If the US hasn't entered the war then would they need to? IIRC as late as the Armistice aside from a sliver of Alsace the German lines were in front of the pre-war borders or in the north still incorporating the majority of Belgium. Without the prospect of heavy American financial and military support for the Entente and the Eastern front, with exception of Galicia - no great loss, having been mainly on Russian territory for most of the war only to surge forward in 1917 and see a complete collapse in 1918 I'm still not sure why this 'rational' German leadership would consider it.
 

CaliGuy

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If the US hasn't entered the war then would they need to? IIRC as late as the Armistice aside from a sliver of Alsace the German lines were in front of the pre-war borders or in the north still incorporating the majority of Belgium. Without the prospect of heavy American financial and military support for the Entente and the Eastern front, with exception of Galicia - no great loss, having been mainly on Russian territory for most of the war only to surge forward in 1917 and see a complete collapse in 1918 I'm still not sure why this 'rational' German leadership would consider it.
This rational German leadership would consider it due to their fear of the British blockade causing the German home front to collapse. Basically, they want to keep all of their gains in the East and are willing to make concessions in the West to achieve this goal in order to avoid the risk of losing everything later on if the German home front collapses.
 
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