Pax Mongolia

This is ATL is based upon a thread I started called the ‘Karnate of Europe’ whereupon Batu Khan (Son of Ghengis Khan) lives about five years longer establishing a Khanate in Europe. One butterfly with this one is the rise of the maritime Kingdom of Aragon leading onto to an earlier discovery of the Americas than the OTL.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread!​

1278 Golden Horde invade Europe consolidating and absorbing all the Russian principalities as well as Poland/Lithuania. Mongols defeat St. Louis, along with many of the leading princes of Europe. Emperor Frederick II retires to Sicily, while a Pope-less Europe is ravaged by the Mongol Armies.

1281 Following Kublai Khan's example in China, the Mongols and adopt the trappings of European monarchs usurping the Holy Roman Empire. The first Mongol Roman Emperor is Sartak Khan, who is baptized as a Catholic before his father Batu dies. Emperor Sartak rehabilitates the Church and begins the Holy Roman Karnate of Europe renaming himself Pope John the First. (This also fulfils Bantu’s great destiny of reaching the ‘Great Sea’ (Atlantic Ocean)

1285 Invigorated by the huge influx of European refugees, the rising Kingdom of Aragon seizes all of Iberia (including Muslim Granada).

1288After the Battle of Saragossa, the Kingdom of Aragon is forced into vassaldom by the Karnate but remains a major maritime power trading throughout the Mediterranean and Western Europe. Only Britain and Sweden and Norway remain independent Kingdoms resisting the ‘Mongolian Yoke’.

1289 Active liberalization by the Khanate across the continent results in civic improvements, greater commerce, religious tolerance and formal codification of laws.

1290 European mainland quickly advances both economically and socially. Largely buffered from the ravages of war in the east by the Karnate of the Golden Horde, trade routes expand from Europe all the way to China and beyond.

1300 Kingdom of Scotland sends diplomats to Rome seeking formal ties with the Karnate. England threatens invasion but backs down after the ‘Great Armada’ is assembled in Flanders to invade if Scotland is attacked.

1304 New sea faring technology is quickly adopted by the Aragon Navy . Sponsorship by their King leads to active attempts to open up new shipping routes to a land rumored to be somewhere in the west as documented by Norse sailors in the Tenth Century. The Holy Roman Karnate grows increasingly interested in Aragon’s endeavors not only for their own strategic purposes but to continue their desire to create a Pax Mongolia across the world.

Feedback and contributions welcomed!
 
Hmmmm well while I do like the idea of a PAX Mongolia over Europe I feel a few things.

1. That the taking of Europe sounds alot less bloody then it would be-entire cities would be uprooted and burned to the ground-those that resisted and did not.

2. What happened to the Pope?

3. I feel the name "Holy Roman Khanate" is abit too European, and I don;t see how Batu would emulate to a culture far, far faaaaaaaar below that of his own or the one Kuhblai was doing. I feel he would wipe out large sections of European culture and push through Far Eastern culture then tolerate the remants.

4. Why rule from Rome? I don't think their is any terribly large plains there. If anywhere the bulk of the Mongol forces would rule from a newly built capital somewhere in the Pannoia (Hungary area).

5. Not exactly Pax Mongolia if all the Mongolian Khantes are fighting each other (including the Non-Mongolian Muslims).

6. Would this somehow more lead to Aragon also invading the North Africa?
 
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1. That the taking of Europe sounds alot less bloody then it would be-entire cities would be uprooted and burned to the ground-those that resisted and did not.

Its presumed that in this short ATL a number towns and cities would have been pillaged and/or destroyed. The huge movement of Europeans refugees I mention would also contribute to a general routing of the population.

2. What happened to the Pope?

Yes...um, um. Can't abdicate can he? Poisoned or maybe they just stashed him away quietly in a monastry somewhere.

3. I feel the name "Holy Roman Khanate" is abit too European, and I don;t see how Batu would emulate to a culture far, far faaaaaaaar below that of his own or the one Kuhblai was doing. I feel he would wipe out large sections of European culture and push through Far Eastern culture then tolerate the remants.

I can live with taht. Ill go back to my original name: Karnate of Europe.

This didnt happen in Russia so Im not sure why he'd do it in the West also Batu was the 'nicer' son of Ghengis and may have been more tolerant. He was also very keen on Europe.

4. Why rule from Rome? I don't think their is any terribly large plains there.Alot of debate occurred about the need for pastoral plains in the first thread I did in order for the Mongols to fight.

It was generally agreed that in the first thread, besides being virtually irresistable even in decline, the Mongols were good at adopting and changing battle tactics e.g. Use of ships, gunpowder, infantry etc. I suppose also vassal states would mean vassal armies so they may not be totally dependent on the plains to fight on and feed their horses. However I concede that they would have had trouble in Scandanavia and other northern Kingdoms which were (1) far more mountainous, (2) full of hinterlands and (3) not really worth the effort unless you are talking about Denmark. Plus apparently the cold conditions would mess with the glue in their bows and arrows?!.

I did think about the united armies of Europe getting themselves creamed on Pannoian Plains but that seemed like a pretty big ask from a warring feudal Europe to get together. Also the Eurpoean's castle seige mentality would have made them easy to pick off one by one.

If anywhere the bulk of the Mongol forces would rule from a newly built capital somewhere in the Pannoia (Hungary area).

The Mongols were not renowned for there architectural prowess and tended to burn things down rather than build anew. So it seemed practical and politically logical to place the new Knanate in Rome

5. Not exactly Pax Mongolia if all the Mongolian Khantes are fighting each other (including the Non-Mongolian Muslims).

I guess I meant this in the respect to the Pax Romana definition where there was 'a long period of relative peace and minimal expansion by military force'.

In the OTL, Berke (Batu's brother) was the cause of all the strife with other Kharnates (He only acknowledge in theory the overlordship of the Khanate in China) thus the POD is Batu Khan living another five years.

6. Would this somehow more lead to Aragon also invading the North Africa?

You dont think it was enough for a medium sized maritime vassaldom to take control of Iberia and then eventually Sicily?

I assume there would be some kind of 'land grab' by the one of the North African Calphates during the Mongol invasion and a possible backlash over Aragon's annexing of Granada. However, in this ATL, it is not significant since they were basically out of Western Europe (other than Granada) by 1270's.

Thanks for your thoughts. That was fun! ;)
 
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