Paukenschlag reinforced

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Why not? It had the range with a fuel ship with it, and the other German surface ships and sortied in mid-1941 in the Atlantic and survived while the USN was looking for enemy ships to report on. The Uboats sent were primarily surface vessels and they got there safe in February.

1. As usual, if it's build what isn't? If we stick to navy then it's less ships, eaning RN has it easier from start. It means KM is weaker and RN relatively stronger. This brings its own set of butterflies so things that were touch and go can be touch instead of go, Norway being prime example. If it's less u boats then RN is feeling less pressure on convoys so they can use more ships elsewhere.

2. It would be prime target for RN once hostilities break out.

3. KM will have to write and learn the book about carrier operations in space of few years. That's operating it as a ship, operating it as a weapon, naval aviation, whole works. Given how "navla" aviation was treated it would be problematic.

4. If it breaks out RN will throw everything and a kitchen sink at it. And carrier can't exactlly hide, like u boat can.
 

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1. As usual, if it's build what isn't? If we stick to navy then it's less ships, eaning RN has it easier from start. It means KM is weaker and RN relatively stronger. This brings its own set of butterflies so things that were touch and go can be touch instead of go, Norway being prime example. If it's less u boats then RN is feeling less pressure on convoys so they can use more ships elsewhere.

2. It would be prime target for RN once hostilities break out.

3. KM will have to write and learn the book about carrier operations in space of few years. That's operating it as a ship, operating it as a weapon, naval aviation, whole works. Given how "navla" aviation was treated it would be problematic.

4. If it breaks out RN will throw everything and a kitchen sink at it. And carrier can't exactlly hide, like u boat can.

The Zeppelin was already built, it needed to be finished and you can have the AAA battery built instead of landbased 105s. The air component can come from land based aircraft. Whatever remaining metal needed can come from the other carrier of its class that was being scrapped or not bother with the Sedylitz conversion and use the materials there for completing the Zeppelin and probably could gain from scrapping it entirely instead of scuttling it in 1945 after letting it sit doing nothing from 1943 on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_carrier_Graf_Zeppelin#Construction_and_cancellation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graf_Zeppelin-class_aircraft_carrier#Flugzeugtr.C3.A4ger_B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Seydlitz
 
Love is parroting most of King’s excuses, though he has the grace to drop the ‘and the secretary got the minutes wrong’ one.

King lied repeatedly both at the time and afterwards.
King spent most of 41 planning convoy ops in the Atlantic, and from March (?) the USN is responsible for escorts as far as Iceland there is a fully worked out plan by King dated 20 December 1941 for convoy operations in the Atlantic. He is Cominch and CNO and commands every aspect of the USN at this time and ofc according to FDR and the JCS the Atlantic has priority.

In June 1941 the USN has 278 ASW ships 176 DD in June there are 527 of which 190 DD. I have quoted the USN deployment on 29 Jan 42.

And none of the plans are implemented, for 6 months and then only after a direct order.

April 42 Andrews ( Commander Eastern Sea Frontier) has exactly NO USN ASW vessels under command and King actively prevents a joint USAAC/USN command structure ( Eisenhower). Of the 1400 a/c deployed against Germany in April 42 and 399 available in the CONUS only 86 are available for ASW ops ( and that’s an increase to from March.)

The actual institution of a convoy system and deployment of 35 escort vessels and a trained patrol wing not only stop the attacks dead but also lead to the second highest monthly total of U boat sinkings in 42.

This is an entirely self-inflicted wound.
 
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