Papal colonies

Max Sinister

Banned
As we know well, pope Alexander VI divided the non-Xian world between Spain and Portugal in the treaty of Tordesillas, 1495.

However, WI Alex had demanded a share of the world for the Papal state, since he a) was the leader of Xianity, having a right for 10%, b) was the "fair negotiator" and c) anyway (let's not forget, he's a Borgia).

Let's say, the pope gets some lands that will form a buffer state between the Spanish and Portuguese lands. Since the border was supposed to be 1,770 km west of the Cape Verde Islands, let's rule that he gets the Guayanas, the central third of today's Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, and a bit of Argentina. Plus, Newfoundland after it gets discovered. And since the Earth is a ball, he also gets some lands in the other half: That would be Manchuria, Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, and parts of Indonesia, Australia and Siberia (ok, theoretically).

What would happen afterwards? Would the Jesuites form an ideal Catholic utopia somewhere?
 

Tom_B

Papal Island

This is an interesting idea but you go too far. I think the Papal States would be interested in at most a small --but choice--piece of the action.

One possibility is that they get Devil's Island which in this TL is called Papal Island LOL.

Another might be a chunk of Venezuela. The brief German colony in Venezuela might occur within the Papal dominion and not fizzle out as per our timeline.
 

Abdul Hadi Pasha

Banned
Max Sinister said:
As we know well, pope Alexander VI divided the non-Xian world between Spain and Portugal in the treaty of Tordesillas, 1495.

However, WI Alex had demanded a share of the world for the Papal state, since he a) was the leader of Xianity, having a right for 10%, b) was the "fair negotiator" and c) anyway (let's not forget, he's a Borgia).

Let's say, the pope gets some lands that will form a buffer state between the Spanish and Portuguese lands. Since the border was supposed to be 1,770 km west of the Cape Verde Islands, let's rule that he gets the Guayanas, the central third of today's Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, and a bit of Argentina. Plus, Newfoundland after it gets discovered. And since the Earth is a ball, he also gets some lands in the other half: That would be Manchuria, Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, and parts of Indonesia, Australia and Siberia (ok, theoretically).

What would happen afterwards? Would the Jesuites form an ideal Catholic utopia somewhere?
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This is incompatible with the conception of the Papacy and its temporal patrimony. The Papacy would have no interest in acquiring far-flung posessions that would be expensive to develop, control, and exploit, and would require setting up an elaborate civil bureaucracy and colonial military forces, and a fleet. Far better to demand a percentage of the profits, which was what the Church was all about.
 
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