"Our Struggle": What If Hitler Had Been a Communist?

my perdictions for the Spanish Civil War butterflys:

The Republic will eventually trumph over the Nationalists unless the Italians or Portugese decide to be much more forceful in their help in this TL, due to Francos Army of Africa not coming over. This however will also mean it wont submit to Communist influence to get support like it did OTL, Mindful of how the allies would freak out if they did. This will probably end in the Republics anihlation at the Hands of advancing Communist Germans.
 
my perdictions for the Spanish Civil War butterflys:

The Republic will eventually trumph over the Nationalists unless the Italians or Portugese decide to be much more forceful in their help in this TL, due to Francos Army of Africa not coming over. This however will also mean it wont submit to Communist influence to get support like it did OTL, Mindful of how the allies would freak out if they did. This will probably end in the Republics anihlation at the Hands of advancing Communist Germans.

Potentially, France gets more involved and backs either the nationalists or a non communist faction of republicans (depending on whether the right or a center/left coalition is in power in France) because of fear of encirclement by the belligerent looking Germans. But yeah, in the absence of fascist support, the nationalists are on shaky ground.
 

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Oh brilliant! :D What's Hamburg like? I've been meaning to go there for a while now.

Really cool city. The way they adapted the industrial areas into residential ones makes for a very captivating architecture. Speaking of which, there's a lot of contrast in styles. It isn't a city renowed for it's tourism, but it has nice visuals, plenty of cool historical churches, a awesome maritime museum, and lots of food options(the most importat aspect of any trip). So it's great in my opinion!
 
German futurism? I predict it will be a little different than Russian futurism. Also how is life in Red Germany? I assume better than Soviets because of better industrial development.
 
One thing I was wondering - in OTL Hitler apparently had this romantic ideal of Kemal Ataturk (which was questionably related to the man himself) because he saw Ataturk's construction of Turkey from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire as a way for him to build his Third Reich from the ruins of the Kaiserreich and the Weimar. Would Red Hitler have any kind of admiration for someone like that? On the one hand Ataturk was no communist but at the same time Hitler's beliefs still have a strong German nationalist component, so he could still admire Ataturk as a "national liberator" or something. However Hitler would logically also value someone like Lenin instead.

I appreciate if this question isn't really one that can be answered given how obscure the topic is.

I think you have a point in that it wouldn't be entirely out of character for ITTL's Hitler to still have a certain admiration for Ataturk. Admiration for the Young Turks certainly wasn't a rarity in Germany and in his carving out a new nation state out of an ancient empire in the face of western intrigue, Ataturk's actions could easily be construed as a blow against the International Financier Plot. That said, the Turkey he created is a capitalist state all the same (albeit one with some slight welfare provision and state intervention) so Hitler would likely bemoan the fact that Ataturk didn't have the good sense to strive for true independence by building an socialist society instead.

As you say, Lenin is a major inspiration for Hitler ITTL with his down to earth focus in What Is To Be Done being something that Hitler has tried to emulate in Unser Kampf. This isn't only to do with Lenin's success in the Soviet Union but also in his criticisms of the Bavarian Soviet, many of which Hitler agreed with and helped fuel his belief that instead of simply going along with revolutionary movements he should try in the future to actively steer them towards his own vision. That isn't to sya he doesn't also hold Eugen Levine in high regard but more as a martyr than someone to be emulated, similar to Kurt Eisner and Karl Liebknecht. He does also have some admiration for non-Communist contemporaries who have nonetheless show a willingness to sacrifice for their people against the established elites, perhaps not Ataturk but people like Claus Heim will probably end up being held up by Hitler's KPD as an example of people who are in the pantheon of German Ideology even if they don't quite know it yet.
 
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German futurism? I predict it will be a little different than Russian futurism.

That's true! I should add that Hitler isn't really a futurist anymore by this point but he has maintained some of his prior futurist beliefs; the potential of advanced technology, the relationship between mankind and industry, etc.

Also how is life in Red Germany? I assume better than Soviets because of better industrial development.

I don't really want to go into life in the DAR too much at the moment as a lot of that will be expanded in the TL. The standard of living is better than in the Soviet Union although as you said, the value of comparing the standard of living in an industralised country with a developing one is a bit dubious.
 
Central Europe, 1936 by Tsar of New Zealand
With The Red's approval, here's a glimpse of a point not-so-far into the future:

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So, does Hitler sponsor a communist coup in Austria?

Austria, because of its extreme conservativism, doesn't strike as a place where communism would be welcome.
 
Conservatives hold onto power in East Prussia? I like it. I wonder if Hitler will try to take the Sudetenland soon after. Probably.

I wonder if Hitlerism takes root in Austria or they get their own communists who decide to join up out of a mix of proletarian internationalism, being a small country, being so far from God yet to close to Mussolini and sentimental pan-germanium.....or they're just domestic Hitlerists who aim for it from the start. Or maybe it's a mix (Hitler helps Austro-Hitlerists take power from Austro-communists after they hold their own revolution?)

No other commie-sounding names on the map, so the revolution doesn't seem to spread anywhere aside from Austria from we can see. Doesn't mean stuff isn't happening.

By the way, what about Mexico during this period? I know they had a vaguely left-wing party in the period (though my knowledge is limited I admit), I wonder what they would think of the DAR. I even wonder if they're too friendly (or perceived to be) they could be invaded by a paranoid US.
 
One question, what will be the naval strategy of the Red Navy. Submarines? A big navy to surpass England? A deal with the devil with Japan with the Allies as a common foe to make carriers (is Hitler after all)? Headcannon time: In the case of the same German naval plan than OTL, the name of the two big twins battleships are Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. The twin battlecruisers are called Karl Liebecht and Rosa Luxembourg. The carrier project could be called Diktatur des Proletariats

Btw In the case of French's exile goverment: Petain and De Gaulle would work together? Laval would form a cell of right-wing French partisans?
 
One question, what will be the naval strategy of the Red Navy. Submarines? A big navy to surpass England? A deal with the devil with Japan with the Allies as a common foe to make carriers (is Hitler after all)? Headcannon time: In the case of the same German naval plan than OTL, the name of the two big twins battleships are Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. The twin battlecruisers are called Karl Liebecht and Rosa Luxembourg. The carrier project could be called Diktatur des Proletariats

Those are interesting ideas but given Hitler's derisive comments about Imperial Germany's naval build-up ITTL I'm not sure if a Plan Z analogue would really be in his nature. Maybe your flotilla could be something envisioned for a post-war Rote Marine? That said I do have a few ATL innovations in mind and, as always, any thoughts are always appreciated!

Btw In the case of French's exile goverment: Petain and De Gaulle would work together? Laval would form a cell of right-wing French partisans?

France has a hell of a lot of butterflies coming its way very shortly so I don't want to give away too much, although I can't really picture a cowardly opportunist like Laval ever forming a partisan band. Even if it is a right-wing one.
 
France has a hell of a lot of butterflies coming its way very shortly so I don't want to give away too much, although I can't really picture a cowardly opportunist like Laval ever forming a partisan band. Even if it is a right-wing one.

Agreed. I imagine him appearing in front of the colaborationist Communist goverment saying "I was totally a socialist, guys. Gib power plox". It would be more apropiate for someone like De La Roque or even Maurras more fanatical and jingoist in nature. Maybe forming some kind of Charlemagne Legion made of exiled right-wing Frenchmen. Churchill would like the idea but Roosevelt probably not (or someone else instead of him Who knows?)
 
Those are interesting ideas but given Hitler's derisive comments about Imperial Germany's naval build-up ITTL I'm not sure if a Plan Z analogue would really be in his nature. Maybe your flotilla could be something envisioned for a post-war Rote Marine? That said I do have a few ATL innovations in mind and, as always, any thoughts are always appreciated!
Hitler would like a nice powerful navy simply for appearances. Having huge battleships and a impressive naval fleet was not only just for practical reasons but also to show off a nation’s prestige. Not to mention, Red Germany will still need a navy that is strong enough to at least face up against France. If I remember correctly, the Kreigsmarine was built in order to face off against France’s navy, not Great Britain’s Royal Navy. Germany did not think they would need to face off against the Royal Navy prior to World War 2.
 
The problem with a large Rotemarine is twofold- a large navy is very expensive, and then there's the political problem- OTL's Kriegsmarine was very Prussian and conservative in its character, including a very long and detailed conduct code.
 

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I imagine the Reich in East Prussia and Poland would become BFFs rather quickly. As would Czechoslovakia. They need to hang together or they will hang separately


Heydrich was in the navy. The German Reich exists. The conservative Navy would, in large part, probably join the Reich. Heydrich was a opportunist.

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