"Our Struggle": What If Hitler Had Been a Communist?
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That tells us lots!
As far as low bars are concerned, this one is so low an ant could step over it.
I’d recommend reading the whole thing, it’s more plausible than it looks.
One thing I was wondering - in OTL Hitler apparently had this romantic ideal of Kemal Ataturk (which was questionably related to the man himself) because he saw Ataturk's construction of Turkey from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire as a way for him to build his Third Reich from the ruins of the Kaiserreich and the Weimar. Would Red Hitler have any kind of admiration for someone like that? On the one hand Ataturk was no communist but at the same time Hitler's beliefs still have a strong German nationalist component, so he could still admire Ataturk as a "national liberator" or something. However Hitler would logically also value someone like Lenin instead.
I appreciate if this question isn't really one that can be answered given how obscure the topic is.
I appreciate if this question isn't really one that can be answered given how obscure the topic is.
Do give this story a chance. Last year I thought this story was interesting but not really for me. A Communist Hitler just sounded too out there. I tried a couple of times to get into the story but it never really grabbed me. Then I bought The Red’s “Red Führer” book and it changed my mind completely. The book was a quick read, accessible, and I think had a very probable PoD.
After I read the book (which took like 3 days max reading casually) I checked the story again and started reading where the book ended.
Overall this is a great story as of now, with the finished project likely going to be considered in the top ten for this website in alt-WW2 scenarios.
I recommend you read the book. Not only does it give you the story with a final polish and some added scenes but it also supports the author. It was only a few bucks and a quick read. Once you’re done with that come back and catch up here.
The “Our Struggle” community is supportive, helpful and strides to make the story better. We had like a 2 page discussion over the popularity of Fascism from this timeline’s point of view and that’s just one thing we debated about. We debated how Socialism would be viewed post-WW2 and a host of other topics. Like I said, give it a try. You might change your mind.
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Thank you for this, it really means a lot to hear someone say that.
Considering how Hitler has shown himself to be an independent leader and likely a dangerous rival for Stalin in the future, I’m not sure the Soviets will be so keen on siding with the Germans in TTL’s WW2.
Its not really that easy. Attacking either nation will prove crippling to either leaders credibility as a real revolution leader, and they could get couped. Revolutionary credibility was very important at the time.
If Germany invades Poland I expect the USSR to join in. They could also invade the Baltics as well.
I have to wonder if Scandinavia will be invaded - Sweden survived by supplying iron ore to Germany but it was kind of unstable at the time and with a communist revolution in Germany and less accommodative attitudes towards a non-communist country, Hitler might decide to "liberate" the Swedish working class, likely the Norwegian and possibly the Finnish as well.
In fact given that the war starts early (so less mechanisation in the early stages) and the prospect of losing that super officer corp (not confirmed yet though, The Red is keeping a tight lid on it) hampering combat effectiveness of the Rote Armee relative to the Wehrmacht, I can see why the war could last so long, particularly if Hitler decides to launch a proletarian crusade to every corner of non-communist Europe (and if the Allies try to fight him at every turn) and even further (for example pursuing a campaign into North Africa). The Italian front alone could last a good while - the Alps are superb for defence and the Italians are fighting on home ground. It could take the DAR a while just to break through the Alps (think of the trouble OTL Allies had advancing North in Italy), nevermind taking the rest of the country.
Oh and maybe we'll see an attempted invasion of Britain that even manages to land and fight in Southern England for a bit (even if it gets kicked out)
! I mean I don't know if that's what the The Red wants to do but it would be pretty interesting and could explain why the war lasts so long.Anyway, it's not my novel to write so while this all is interesting speculation I shall just have to wait and see!
I’d expect Poland to be divided between Germany and Soviet Union with the OTL General Government area being a demilitarized zone between Hitlerism and Stalinism.
Finland would likely go to the Soviets, Norway to Germany with Sweden as another demilitarized buffer between the two. The Baltics would belong to the Soviets I assume.
Finland would likely go to the Soviets, Norway to Germany with Sweden as another demilitarized buffer between the two. The Baltics would belong to the Soviets I assume.
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Wow, I didn't realize I was 4 updates behind! Ok, here we go:
The Volkische Bund led by Crown Prince Willy and Goering seems really interesting. Almost makes me wish for a TL about they takeover and how they install their monarchic fascist regime.
Is Adolf still clean shaven? Does he bear the mighty beard of Marx, the proud pointed beard of Lenin or the dreadful neckbeard of the reactionary?
I'm actually IN Hamburg right now! Going across Germany on vacation. Just visited city hall. They have the name of every politician(SDP leads by a fair margin) their pictures and their contact on display on the lobby. It's a admirable example of political transparency.
The Volkische Bund led by Crown Prince Willy and Goering seems really interesting. Almost makes me wish for a TL about they takeover and how they install their monarchic fascist regime.
Is Adolf still clean shaven? Does he bear the mighty beard of Marx, the proud pointed beard of Lenin or the dreadful neckbeard of the reactionary?
I'm actually IN Hamburg right now! Going across Germany on vacation. Just visited city hall. They have the name of every politician(SDP leads by a fair margin) their pictures and their contact on display on the lobby. It's a admirable example of political transparency.
To each their own, but I think this is a thread in which the commentary/speculation really adds to the overall appeal- such thorough world-crafting has also led to some excellent commentary; excellence encouraging excellence.
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Threadmarks dont exclude speculation and commentary by any means but some (most, even) want to take in the story and having to scroll through pages and pages to find the update puts some people off from the story at all. Whatever man, just my opinion.
I have had some thoughts about what a "TL within a TL" might look like but I'm always wary of such temptations when the work itself is still ongoing, not that any ideas you've had would be unwelcome.
Still clean shaven at the moment although it might soon be time for him to adopt the guerilla beard once more.
Oh brilliant!
What's Hamburg like? I've been meaning to go there for a while now.It is something I've been meaning to get round to eventually, although I would echo @WaterproofPotatoes point that a lot of the commentary is of a very high standard (some of which I would probably index as well) and as such I hope it isn't too much of a bother scrolling through it.
Threadmarks are mostly for new people trying to catch up with the story. Commentary is a lot less enjoyable when you can't react to it and 90 pages of it is a bit much.