"Our Struggle": What If Hitler Had Been a Communist?

As the author has reminded us, Hitler remains viscerally racist, but so far the major canon evidence is his reaction to Senegalese French troops. And however slimy and treacherous the leadership and all too many acolytes of the Third International have been, and however crude and ugly anti-African racism in the Soviet Union could get in grubby personal practice, on paper Leninism was always anti-racist in its core ideology, and this was basis of recruiting such core figures as Ho Chi Minh. To the dark annals of sordid practice of half-reconstructed bigots I could add the attitudes of Russian "comrades" to the Chinese Communists, and no doubt a mirror bigotry of the Chinese against their Russian one time patrons. And there is always Pol Pot to muddy the waters further.

Marx then is not an infallible inoculation against the fevers of racism. But it is a fact that the Marxist wings of radical progressivism have always, if not accomplishing a total and sweeping immunity to these delusions, nor as fully nurtured compassion as one might hope, applied a certain withering scorn to this school of ideological thought. The basic concept of the unity of the world working class is indeed a powerful solvent against the grosser as well as more subtle forms of racist thought.

Frankly I am not sure the author has done an ATL Hitler full justice in how much the astringent effect of Marxist and Leninist thought might flense away Hitler's preconceptions and resentments of his younger days. Neither do I dare presume it should have been as thorough as I could hope; benefit of doubt goes to author canon then. We have a Hitler who definitely does not see non-Europeans through the same eyes as Europeans; it would be interesting to see how he handles Chinese and other Asian Communists.

I'd have to go back through the canon posts myself to remind me how he does relate to Jewish people, comrades, potential recruits, and those whose choices lend themselves to demonization from a revolutionary perspective--will he/has he fallen into the trap of taking for granted bigoted crap in generating cheap Red claptrap, or will he/would he take a higher road of focusing on the actual sins of capitalism as such?

This is not your grandfather's Hitler of OTL. How improved he is is the question, but I see him as definitely having enjoyed some benefit of a mental cleansing.

It frankly troubles me that between author prophecy and the presumption that Hitler deleneda est that carries over from his racist legacy of OTL, we assume his revolutionary Germany will have the uglier aspects of the OTL Reich and that it must fail as well. This is established for this TL, I suppose. But must it be for any Red Hitler TL? Do we assume Hitler had some magical level of twisted evil distinct from that of other mere humans installed in him somehow, or are we demanding retribution for his vile sins committed OTL across the multiverses?

Can Hitler in fact be saved?

Correct me if I’m wrong but Hitler wasn’t really aware of their Jewish heritage right? Just how Stalin didn’t know Marx was Jewish.

Also let me remind you that Leninist thought has been responsible for its own atrocities by its worship of state power and the subjugation of the individual. Even if it was anti-racist in nature it also had evils of its own.

And no I don’t think he can be saved. After all he’s being inspired by the same tradition as Lenin and Stalin. When he falls history is going to spit at him trillions of times over.
 
Bit o' an understatement pal. Oh man the far right backlash from this is gonna...At best I guess we're going to see all of Europe end up like the former Warsaw Pact. I don't even know if socialist policies would escape this shadow. Hope they do

Socialism will be dead at this point. The only thing that’s going to make it out is anarchism.
 
Have you seen the climax of the late Soviet Belarussian film Run Come See? (That's how my Soviet studies professor translated this late 1980s production anyway)?

I have, it's one of the best films ever made in my opinion, and I think I know what you're getting at but

whilst I agree that no enemy, imagined or otherwise, must be seen as "starting with the children", even in the case of Hitler, I do believe it's a different kettle of fish to try and attempt a redemption of him. I don't dispute that given the right circumstances he could have ended up as a genuinely good person but given the context of what we know actually happened I'd find it an uncomfortable read.

the Marxist tradition is much more firmly and legitimately ensconced in the basic Enlightenment mentality of Modern Europe than most of its ideological rivals,

I wouldn't go that far, although it is a lingering problem. Marxists can be self-righteous to the point of evangelicism and this can breed complacency but its something that can be avoided. The KPD suffered badly from it IOTL, believing their victory to be inevitable and that the working class would come flooding to them when the time was right on the basis of their virtue, whereas Hitler ITTL has suffered from way too many beatings and defeats to have any preconceived notions of victory. His belief in Marxism's virtue relates largely to the fact that it buries those who he views as having ruined his life and the lives of countless others.

This is what democracy means to Hitler--superior wisdom through the properly honed collective.

Pretty much. The "New Society" that it is the end goal of German Ideology is all bright and beautiful but to get there requires great sacrifice in the meantime. Such is the party line, and that doesn't always mean consolidation of power, but Hitler is about as fond of "bourgeois democracy" as his OTL counterpart.
 
I’m reading Capital Volume 1 and the German Ideology to understand Marx’s thought. And TBH will I enjoy the economic and sociological analysis, I disagree with historical materialism and the fact that history is one straight line. If history proves anything we are prone to falling back at square one if we fuck up.
 
As previously noted,

Even if it doesn’t lose the atrocities are going to leak out sooner or later. And that alone is enough to destroy the credibility. Just look at the effect of the Gulag Archipelago. Or the destalinization program that got the world to know Stalin’s atrocities. The invasion of Czechoslovakia and Hungary. The report of the Khmer Rouge. The Cuban refugees.
 
Even if it doesn’t lose the atrocities are going to leak out sooner or later. And that alone is enough to destroy the credibility. Just look at the effect of the Gulag Archipelago. Or the destalinization program that got the world to know Stalin’s atrocities. The invasion of Czechoslovakia and Hungary. The report of the Khmer Rouge. The Cuban refugees.

I'm not sure what your point is, these were all events that happened in OTL and socialism isn't "dead" as an ideology. I'm fine with predictions as to what will happen in the future of the TL but you shouldn't assume any of them are going to be proven correct.
 
I'm not sure what your point is, these were all events that happened in OTL and socialism isn't "dead" as an ideology. I'm fine with predictions as to what will happen in the future of the TL but you shouldn't assume any of them are going to be proven correct.

No. I won’t throw a fit if proven wrong. But even today communism is basically toxic in the minds of many today. And the atrocities reported have only reinforced those beliefs. So even if communism doesn’t “fall” the negative coverage will be enough to seriously damage the movement’s credibility. And with someone like Hitler it might as well be killed off.

I mean Nazism and fascism aren’t remotely credible in the eyes of many and yet it’s still held by some. Just look at the rise of the far right in the US, Canada, and Europe.
 
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I mean Nazism and fascism aren’t remotely credible in the eyes of many and yet it’s still held by some. Just look at the rise of the far right in the US, Canada, and Europe.
To be fair not many in the modern "far right" would consider themselves Nazis or fascists.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but Hitler wasn’t really aware of their Jewish heritage right? Just how Stalin didn’t know Marx was Jewish.
I have no idea why you would think Stalin did not know Marx was Jewish. Similarly Hitler in any TL with POD after Marx's OTL work was largely established, assuming Hitler himself is not butterflied away, is going to know that fact too, no matter what weird ATL gyrations shift him to what positions, unless he is so apolitical Marx never comes up in conversation.

Marx's foes made it pretty certain everyone would know he was Jewish. So where is this stuff about people not knowing coming from anyway?
Also let me remind you that Leninist thought has been responsible for its own atrocities by its worship of state power and the subjugation of the individual. Even if it was anti-racist in nature it also had evils of its own.
Did I not do a send-up of Leninist "Democratic Centralism" to illustrate its folly and fallacy, and did I not say that even a Hitler deeply self-purged of racism as a character flaw or belief of any kind would nevertheless most likely be a very devil of Party authoritarianism, especially insofar as he himself could make himself the Authority?

So yeah--I said that.
And no I don’t think he can be saved. After all he’s being inspired by the same tradition as Lenin and Stalin. When he falls history is going to spit at him trillions of times over.

Well, the very logic of ATLs suggests that in practically infinite universes, there have to be some where he's quite a nice fellow.

Where I think I agree with the author here is that OTL, it is a quite sickening and quite dangerous to go there, and our freedom to do so is best left theoretical for reasons of very heavy expedience. We don't want to open the floodgates on the mass of backed up white supremacist ideological sewage that would tend to do. Because of who he was here.
 
I have no idea why you would think Stalin did not know Marx was Jewish. Similarly Hitler in any TL with POD after Marx's OTL work was largely established, assuming Hitler himself is not butterflied away, is going to know that fact too, no matter what weird ATL gyrations shift him to what positions, unless he is so apolitical Marx never comes up in conversation.

Marx's foes made it pretty certain everyone would know he was Jewish. So where is this stuff about people not knowing coming from anyway?

Stalin doesn't seem to care sadly. So why Hitler would?

Did I not do a send-up of Leninist "Democratic Centralism" to illustrate its folly and fallacy, and did I not say that even a Hitler deeply self-purged of racism as a character flaw or belief of any kind would nevertheless most likely be a very devil of Party authoritarianism, especially insofar as he himself could make himself the Authority?

So yeah--I said that.

Sorry I meant to reply for the Hitler can be saved thing. Wrong order.
 
Chapter LII
“The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places.”

~ A Farewell To Arms



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When it comes to the rise of Communism in Germany, there is a frequent tendency among historians to overly emphasise or even solely focus on the forces of anxiety and fear that swept the country in the face of the Great Depression. The great hope that many held for the future that the Communists described is rarely commented upon yet without this idealism the picture of Germany in 1930 is incomplete, for more than anything else Paul Levi was emboldened by an image of a brighter future that helped him recover from his own despair, only to help to plunge all of Europe into an even greater torment.


In the Spring of 1930, Levi was one of the most prominent members Social Democratic Party (SPD) and a leader of the party’s most left-wing members, however his stature in the party was compromised by a great deal of personal discomfort Levi felt for this role. Levi had began his political life as an adherent of Rosa Luxemburg and, having been one of the few prominent members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) to survive the failure of the Spartacist Revolt, he took control of what was left of the party in the name of rebuilding and keeping the ideals of Luxemburgism alive in the aftermath. Levi proved himself capable of centralising power around himself and his supporters, although the KPD made little progress due to these cliquish tendencies restricting the influx of new members alongside strategic blunders such as the leadership’s failure to support the 1920 General Strike against the Kapp Putsch. The party was largely deemed irrelevant by German workers and despite Levi’s friendship with Lenin (both had been exiles in Switzerland during the First World War) his failings could no longer be forgiven as the Soviet-dominated Comintern began to disregard many of Levi’s “Left-Communist” or Luxemburgist beliefs as an “infantile disorder”.


The party’s botched efforts in support an armed workers revolt, that had emerged from several strikes around central Germany in March 1921, dealth a fatal blow to Levi, and set in motion the events that would lead him to resign his leadership and shortly after leave the KPD altogether. Allegedly Lenin had not wanted to ostracise Levi to such an extent, only to ensure that the KPD would follow the Leninist line, but the damage had been done. Although the KPD had massively increased in size thanks to the incorporation of the left-wing of the Independent Social Democrats (USPD), Levi felt he was forced to find a new political home. After spending time in the remnant of the USPD that survived the communist merger Levi finally rejoined the SPD as it became increasingly clear that the “Independent” party was becoming nothing more than an extension of the larger and more moderate original. Though he still clung to many of the communist beliefs, Levi hoped that he could affect greater change with a larger platform and though he accomplished this to a large degree he also earned notoriety.


Levi who was a former communist who now embraced Weimar from a leftist perspective, he had been involved in the 1918 revolution on the ground, and he was a Jew. These facts made him anathema to many on the German far-right and within the German establishment. The KPD denounced him as a turncoat and class traitor for siding with the “bourgeoisie” Social Democrats, and as their rhetoric got even more heated he was lumped in with the rest of the party as being no better than the fascists he opposed. Even some within his own party questioned whether or not he was some form of communist sleeper agent, or more commonly an interloper into a party he had once left for not being radical enough. Although he was well regarded by many of his peers, these attacks as well as his own personal conflicts, possibly made worse by a battle with his mental health, caused Levi to fall into a deep depression by the time of the Wall Street Crash.


It is possible that Levi’s acceptance of Adolf Hitler’s clandestine offer to represent the SPD was purely based on his hopes of building a joint platform between Germany’s two largest Marxist parties. Of regaining the future he had once hoped to build after lingering in a party that had tied itself too close to a failed economic system. It was an attractive proposition.


Then again, it is possible that Hitler had made him aware of a very different alliance being made to take advantage of the republic’s sudden weakness. One that would would remain officially secret for several months, but was alarming enough to convince both parties of the need to unify the left.


~ David Irons, Bridging The Horseshoe


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Limone, March 1930




The mist hung close to the surface of Lake Garda before seeping into the quiet town of Limone until the narrow streets and alleyways were almost impossible to navigate without a local guide. Tourist season would not be upon the townspeople for another several weeks, the main fruit harvest was even further away, and in the streets shrouded in dim light and silence, one could be assured of privacy. If you had something to hide however, that often isn’t enough, and pretenders often have much to hide.


Wilhelm, His Imperial and Royal Majesty The German Emperor, King of Prussia (in pretense), had seen a woman looking straight at him from a balcony chair through the fog and had immediately presumed that she had been looking out for him. If he had inquired it is possible that someone would have told him she had been looking in that direction for thirteen years, north towards the mountains that two sons and a husband had never returned from. In the mist he couldn’t see that her aged face was shaking, nor her anxious whispers that they would all be back home soon. The would-be Kaiser only tried to conceal his face as a plain clothes guard escorted him to a restaurant on the shorefront, where his Italian contact was waiting for him in a private room.


Galeazzo Ciano had a pudgy, aristocratic face with an expression that exuded too much innocence for his tough, bulky frame. He was young, and it seemed he had a bright future ahead of him, but Wilhelm could still see the street fighting teenager in the man even if he was the son of a Count and about to become the Duce’s Son-In-Law. He had feared a rebuff when he was offered a meeting with an attache rather than the Italian foreign minister or the Duce himself, but some digging on the young man's background had made it clear that Ciano and Mussolini shared a close bond, one which would make this meeting far more important than it might seem to those who the Duce and the pretender Emperor would prefer left in the dark about their dealings. The young diplomat dismissed Wilhelm’s escort and ordered him to stand guard outside the room before he had even stood up to greet his guest.


“I hope you will accept my apologies for the poor quality of my German, Your Majesty. It is a fault I am working hard to improve upon.” Wilhelm smiled at the young man’s impish modesty, his German was flawless.


“Your German is a pleasure to listen to my friend,” Wilhelm insisted. “and I’m sure our meeting here today will lead to you having far more of a chance to use it.” Ciano smirked at that before offering Wilhelm a seat.


“I must admit that the - well, the “change of power”, that your contacts had mentioned would be a development that would take up much of the Duce’s time, and likely my own as well. Of course, if it was advantageous to the Kingdom of Italy then it would be a price I would be happy to pay.”


“But of course it would be! If-” Wilhelm noticed that the Italian’s look of surprise at the amount of enthusiasm in his response and calmed himself. “If Germany were to fall into chaos, or worse, Bolshevism, all of Europe would suffer. There is no reason to fear, however. I feel that myself and like-minded patriots have come to an understanding about a potential solution, one that will allow Germany to follow the path that the Duce has shown to work so successfully for Italy.”


Wilhelm thought back to the meetings he had held in the Netherlands not so long ago, bringing together the disparate elements of the German right, ranging from those conservatives who had never gotten used to the idea of the republic to the militants who wanted to march on Rome in Berlin. All had been united under the banner of the Volkisch Bund, thanks to his promise of a renewed Germany and his leadership.


It was a group that had originally been gathered around ageing General Ludendorff, but it had become clear that the man had no talent for politics. Wilhelm had been in touch with them ever since their failure to capitalise on the hyperinflation crisis, he had waited on them to call him when the time of the next crisis came, as only he and the Communists seemed to understand, until the Wall Street Crash had made it clear that the time had come to show his hand to the German people.


Wilhelm was confident of his appeal, but he had lived long enough to know he would need allies both at home and abroad if he were to succeed.


Ciano, at the very least, seemed receptive to his pitch.


“I have no doubt that Germany could achieve a great deal if it were to follow the path of fascism, but the Duce is unsure as to whether such a radical shift would not trigger greater chaos accidentally.”


Wilhelm, shook his head reassuringly, “I simply cannot sit back in comfort and watch my country fall apart in the face of this “depression”, neither would you if you were in my posiiton. What I like most about your Duce is his patriotism, and how he allows himself to act only in the name of his nation. He has provided an example for all true patriots everywhere, that they must unite their nations in times of great strife. There are enough men, good men, within the current regime who will respond to the call when asked. There will be no need to worry about chaos, not even temporarily, if we have your support.”


Ciano smiled in silence for a moment, before seeming to remember his line of inquiry.


“I agree entirely in regards to patriotism, Your Majesty, although we both understand that our patriotisms may conflict on certain issues. Your movement is not quiet in calling for the reversal of much of the settlement that followed a conflict in which our nations were enemies. Would we not be naive in helping to enable such action?”


Wilhelm tried to match the young man’s smile.


The arrogant little shit.


“It is true that we were enemies in that conflict, and of course I could reassure you that now that is water under the bridge and you wouldn’t believe me for a second-” Ciano merely shrugged, “- and you would be right not too. The way the war ended has had a greater impact on the German people than no other event since unification. What I would say is, regardless of which side our nations were on, did we not both end up in the same situation after the war ended?”


“Italy was betrayed by incompetent politicians who failed to secure a proper peace settlement for our sacrifice, the Duce has taken steps to resolve this injustice ever since.” Ciano replied in a monotone, as if he were reading a prepared statement from a card. Wilhelm’s smile was genuine now.


“Both of your nations were left damaged and debt ridden, at the mercy of the Bolsheviks, and open for exploitation at the hands of the British and the French. It was only your movement that saved Italy from the further humiliation Germany has had to endure over the years but you are unable to progress on the international stage, why? Because your interests will never be the same as those of the British and the French. Italy, like Germany, is a young nation, a threat to the established order of things, so they fear you, but they know as well as you do that you’re alone. Help me to do for Germany what the Duce has done for Italy, and we will not just hold back chaos and Bolshevism. Together we will be in a position to rewrite the European balance of power, and this time we shall make sure it is on our terms.”


Ciano had lost his smile, as he called for the guard who had been stationed outside to fetch a telephone. It took several moments before the young man spoke again, but when he did it was with the seven words that Wilhelm had spent the last night praying for.


“How much did you say you needed?”


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The painting is Bursting Shell by Christopher Nevinson
 
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It was a group that had originally been gathered around ageing General Ludendorff, but it had become clear that the man had no talent for politics.
IOTL Ludendorff became stranger and stranger, though he was pretty bad to begin with. He was probably the last open opposition in Nazi Germany, as he wrote articles attacking the government for being too soft and moderate.
 
Ah I'm seeing it now: a putsch by the Volkisch Bund decapitates the SPD and the only ones standing up to the restoration of the monarchy are the KPD who are now absorbing the SPD, so all the republicans flock to the KPD and overthrow the putschists. Perhaps a Communist state is established right away, perhaps elections are held and the KPD win huge, but the Deutsche Arbeiter Republik is established with Hitler at its head and consolidating more power in his person every day.
 
Something similar to the Bolshevik's path. Open themselves to other allies on the left despite differences when convenient, then purge or sideline them during the revolutionary process to end up as the only power once it is done.
 
In the words of Walter Ulbricht, "Es muß demokratisch aussehen, aber wir müssen alles in der Hand haben."

("It has to look democratic, but we must have everything in [our] hand.")
 
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