"Our Struggle": What If Hitler Had Been a Communist?
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.....Oh my.
Now we wouldn't want Stalin to turn into some kind of paranoid, would we?
Mostly because the Communist Party didn't have much in practical terms they could actually deliver. There definitely were quite a few prominent African-American Marxists, like Harry Haywood and Richard Wright, but they were coming to the Party in a time when the Red Scare had already ripped the heart out of anticapitalist organizing and movements in the United States.
I remember reading about how Stalin was so worried about his protégés, Kirov, that he actually asked Yezhov, “Is Kirov aware of the plan to remove me and replace me with him?” His paranoia was so intense that even when it came to a man that he had a paternal love for he still had to create a scenario where Kirov was somehow plotting against him.
It's likely there was... When he was very young, maybe.
I really enjoy the idea of a Hitler admiring the Russian people's resolve. And frankly, they have a point in that the red front is still a minor inconvenience at best, and an excuse to crack down at worst. It will be interesting to see what he does with the KPD.
Remember that even as a young man, he was on the run from the Okhrana. Stalin's street cred is already unassailable by 1918, and I find it hard to believe that he wasn't paranoid by the time the revolution came.
It’s actually not too out there as a concept, in the last days of the Battle of Berlin Hitler apparently stated that the Slavs had proven themselves to be superior to Aryans because of the Soviet’s impending victory.
I've read about that statement in several accounts of the last days of the Reich.
Still took him WW2 to admit it. We'll see how it changes his mindset here. I'm afraid the French are the new primary target though.
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France is and will remain the eternal enemy. However, the most critical opponent in the near term is the one that is between Germany and the USSR and in a position to impede their movement of supplies and troops...
In any age, it stinks to be living in Poland...
I’ve tried to stay clear of history’s greatest charlatan but I’ve seen a couple of other sources which document Hitler’s comments.
They could just seize Danzig + the baltics. But I doubt it will happen that cleanly. I agree, it sucks to be Poland.
Reading that update made me think a German-Soviet Split is likely to happen, if Stalin takes over like OTL. Hitler may be a socialist and more pragmatic, but he's still Hitler and there's a trace of stubbornness and megalomania in him that won't stand simply taking orders from Moscow. Maybe from Lenin, the father of the Revolution, and maybe even for a while by Stalin as his successor, but eventually he's going to see something better for the German Communists and make a move. Not really the best mix with someone like Stalin who is the worst combination of paranoia and control-freakery for anyone working under him.
Then again, it took the Sino-Soviet Split seven years to start and ten to finish, so it may take a while.
Since we've jumped to 1923, I have to wonder about the wider European response. The French hitting harder won't win them any friends, but it seems like the Ruhr Uprising has taken a more revolutionary colour, and a socialist one at that. I can see a lot of Central and Eastern European states getting worried about how much the German government can control this. It's probably another reason that Moscow wants it to stop so that the other Communist Parties have room to breathe. I know the Left were sympathetic already, but that's likely increased.
As time goes on, however, I have to wonder if disarmament will be less popular among the Right. At some point, Hitler will take power, and I doubt that OTL's Appeasement would have anywhere close the number of advocates on the Right for a Communist Germany. During the 1920s, there'll probably be more calls for stronger ties with Mussolini's Italy from the Right ITTL, if the Red Menace grows stronger.
Rearmament in Britain may become a solid Right/Left question, if it's seen as being aimed at a Communist Germany. That's leaving aside what the likes of Poland, Austria, and Hungary do. The response from Europe could be more co-ordinated, but then again, they're also facing the Germans and the Soviets and nothing says solidarity like everyone else ganging up on you.
But first, we have to get there.
Then again, it took the Sino-Soviet Split seven years to start and ten to finish, so it may take a while.
Since we've jumped to 1923, I have to wonder about the wider European response. The French hitting harder won't win them any friends, but it seems like the Ruhr Uprising has taken a more revolutionary colour, and a socialist one at that. I can see a lot of Central and Eastern European states getting worried about how much the German government can control this. It's probably another reason that Moscow wants it to stop so that the other Communist Parties have room to breathe. I know the Left were sympathetic already, but that's likely increased.
As time goes on, however, I have to wonder if disarmament will be less popular among the Right. At some point, Hitler will take power, and I doubt that OTL's Appeasement would have anywhere close the number of advocates on the Right for a Communist Germany. During the 1920s, there'll probably be more calls for stronger ties with Mussolini's Italy from the Right ITTL, if the Red Menace grows stronger.
Rearmament in Britain may become a solid Right/Left question, if it's seen as being aimed at a Communist Germany. That's leaving aside what the likes of Poland, Austria, and Hungary do. The response from Europe could be more co-ordinated, but then again, they're also facing the Germans and the Soviets and nothing says solidarity like everyone else ganging up on you.
But first, we have to get there.
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The only question that remains is: who shall be the People's Front of Judea and who will be the traitorous Judea People's Front in this scenario?
Disgusting. Obviously, Poland would be the rightful Front of the Judean People! Death to the PFJ and JPF revisionists!
No no no, it would be the Judean Front of the People or the Peoples Popular Judean Front? Wait wait, weren't we talking about Poland, uh I mean Germany?
I'm confused now.
Germany 1918-1924 by Tsar of New Zealand
I'm delighted to present this wonderful map made by @Tsar of New Zealand, detailing the major clashes and uprisings between the end of the First World War and the beginning of 1924:
