While I understand the motivations, stripping your most important geopolitical point in country of any significance just to artifically boost the provinces would very counter- productive, as you would be forced to spend enormous amount of money and resources to replace capital city with a city located far away...
Our Soviet Union (USSR)
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@CountofDooku I know that for this round we already have voted on 1 topic, but seeing as today 3 important topics popped up - could we get additional vote on these following topics?Good to know that, thanks pal
1. Future plans towards Finland
2. Potential capital city of RSFSR
3. Idea of moving the capital of USSR from Moscow
Oh my god, these options are terrible!
If you decide to rename Samara - at least ask the Russians (by the way - I'm just the same Russian). OTL - the city was known as Kuibyshev.
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TRIPLE VOTE
Indeed, let us do so Comrades.
Vote on Finland:
A) Let us remain peaceful neighbors, maybe invite them to our trade and customs union.
B) Diplomatic pressure to gain our desired borders from them by peaceful means.
C) Let's treaten them to get what we want, surely they will back down in fear.
D) We are the mighty Soviet Union, let us take what we want by force.
Vote on capital city of the Russian SFSR:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
B) Back to Leningrad.
C) A new city or our own making.
D) Your own suggestion.
Vote on th capital of the SOviet Union:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
B) Back to Leningrad.
C) Volgograd?
D) Samara
E) A new central city near the Ural Mountaisn or near the Russian Khazak border region.
F) Your own othe rsuggestions.
Good to know, unlike some of my Russian and Kazakh friends I actually don't speak more Russian then a few words
What does Kuibyshev stand for?
A - we should remain under friendly terms with Finland. However, let us not hesitate to *cough* protect our comrades there should the government become overly hostile... (yes, that's it.)
A - Moscow is the most natural candidate.
Either A or C is fine, but A is more defensible and central.
It was named after this guy:
Valerian Kuybyshev - Wikipedia
dose
союзный город
soyuznyy gorod
(union city) work?
Vote on Finland:
A) Let us remain peaceful neighbors, maybe invite them to our trade and customs union.
Vote on capital city of the Russian SFSR:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
Vote on the capital of the Soviet Union: i am torn between D) E) B) or throwing in omsk for nothing more then the funny in that order
A) it would work wonders to try and gently ease them into the benefits of the USSRIndeed, let us do so Comrades.
Vote on Finland:
A) Let us remain peaceful neighbors, maybe invite them to our trade and customs union.
B) Diplomatic pressure to gain our desired borders from them by peaceful means.
C) Let's treaten them to get what we want, surely they will back down in fear.
D) We are the mighty Soviet Union, let us take what we want by force.
Vote on capital city of the Russian SFSR:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
B) Back to Leningrad.
C) A new city or our own making.
D) Your own suggestion.
Vote on th capital of the SOviet Union:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
B) Back to Leningrad.
C) Volgograd?
D) Samara
E) A new central city near the Ural Mountaisn or near the Russian Khazak border region.
F) Your own othe rsuggestions.
Good to know, unlike some of my Russian and Kazakh friends I actually don't speak more Russian then a few words
What does Kuibyshev stand for?
A) Moscow should remain the capital still for the Russian SSR given it's importance and location
E) I actually think having such a far away capital is ideal since it's far away enough it couldn't be threatened by any invasion force but also shows that we're serious about brotherhood of people by having the capital in a more neutral place in the Russian SSR that is still close to Central Asia and the Caucasus.
B) Diplomatic pressure to gain our desired borders from them by peaceful means
B) Back to Leningrad
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
Voting A, A and D. Leningrad is a bit vulnerable, but we shouldn't place all egs in one basket by overemphasizing Moscow.
A- We'll be peaceful with them. If Finland wants to go their own way, who are we to stop them? They are their own people and must be given their own choice. It is the way of communism after all.
A- If it's for Russia, then let's keep it to Moscow for now for the sake of simplicity.
E. While Volgograd and Samara would be fine choices, especially as back-ups should we encounter problems, a new city would best reflect that the Soviet Union is not an extension of Russia, but something greater overall and unified. Symbolizing a fresh start. By combining all of the greatest aspects and archeitectural designs from the Caucasus, Cental Asia and the Slavic regions, we can create a truly grand city for the future, with grand electrification, enviable public transporaton and so on. A shining people's metropolis.
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A) peaceful coexistence is in the best interest of all working people.
A) Moscow is the historic heart of Russia and we should acknowledge that.
D) Samara is far enough from any border to be safe if we are attacked. Plus the capital of the Union shouldn't also be the capital of one of the Republics, as to avoid the appearance of favoritism.
A) Moscow is the historic heart of Russia and we should acknowledge that.
D) Samara is far enough from any border to be safe if we are attacked. Plus the capital of the Union shouldn't also be the capital of one of the Republics, as to avoid the appearance of favoritism.
In terms of Finland, I suggest a mixture of A & B. We should remain completely peaceful with them and even invite them to the customs union, but on top of that we hould also offer incentives for giving us land we want, things like no import / export taxes on consumer goods, Soviet industry building factories in the new Republic, etc.Indeed, let us do so Comrades.
Vote on Finland:
A) Let us remain peaceful neighbors, maybe invite them to our trade and customs union.
B) Diplomatic pressure to gain our desired borders from them by peaceful means.
C) Let's treaten them to get what we want, surely they will back down in fear.
D) We are the mighty Soviet Union, let us take what we want by force.
Vote on capital city of the Russian SFSR:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
B) Back to Leningrad.
C) A new city or our own making.
D) Your own suggestion.
Vote on th capital of the SOviet Union:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
B) Back to Leningrad.
C) Volgograd?
D) Samara
E) A new central city near the Ural Mountaisn or near the Russian Khazak border region.
F) Your own othe rsuggestions.
Good to know, unlike some of my Russian and Kazakh friends I actually don't speak more Russian then a few words
What does Kuibyshev stand for?
The Capital of the Russian SFSR should stay Moscow, so A.
The capital of the Soviet Union, I'd vote E & F. It should be in a more central location to emphasize the Soviet Union's committment to being something for all people, and not just a continuation of Tsarist policies in a red coat of paint, plus it comes with the benefit of being more defensive.
For my personal suggestion, I'd like to suggest Sverdlovsk (Modern Day Yekaterinburg) it has gotten a lot of recent investment, is in the Ural region as well as being a lot closer to Kazakhstan and the Central Asian republics.
Yekaterinburg - Wikipedia
A) The peaceful option will help change Finland's population on socialism and communism since we're being diplomatic but secretly infiltrate their border cities, towns and villages that border us as keep tabs on the Finnish government. Also I agree, we could invite them to join the Eurasian Silkroad agreement.
A) Moscow is one of the most important and historical capital for the Russians and it's far enough away from our enemies. Leningrad maybe be under a different name but it's still connected to the old Russian Empire, I know Moscow is the same but St. Petersburg/Leningrad is too close to the West and an easy target for espionage so...
E) As @Kurd Gossemer said, the Option A, B, C and D wouldn't work as well for our socialist/communist nation but building a new city like @Wolf-Salami suggested would help us stay united.
A) Moscow is one of the most important and historical capital for the Russians and it's far enough away from our enemies. Leningrad maybe be under a different name but it's still connected to the old Russian Empire, I know Moscow is the same but St. Petersburg/Leningrad is too close to the West and an easy target for espionage so...
E) As @Kurd Gossemer said, the Option A, B, C and D wouldn't work as well for our socialist/communist nation but building a new city like @Wolf-Salami suggested would help us stay united.
A. The Finnish and Soviet peoples can peacefully co-exist. It is not worth it to turn Finland from a neutral nation to an enemy and we can use this opportunity to show the peaceful and genuine nature of our nation.Indeed, let us do so Comrades.
Vote on Finland:
A) Let us remain peaceful neighbors, maybe invite them to our trade and customs union.
B) Diplomatic pressure to gain our desired borders from them by peaceful means.
C) Let's treaten them to get what we want, surely they will back down in fear.
D) We are the mighty Soviet Union, let us take what we want by force.
Vote on capital city of the Russian SFSR:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
B) Back to Leningrad.
C) A new city or our own making.
D) Your own suggestion.
Vote on th capital of the SOviet Union:
A) Let Moscow remain the capital.
B) Back to Leningrad.
C) Volgograd?
D) Samara
E) A new central city near the Ural Mountaisn or near the Russian Khazak border region.
F) Your own othe rsuggestions.
Good to know, unlike some of my Russian and Kazakh friends I actually don't speak more Russian then a few words
What does Kuibyshev stand for?
A for the last 2 for the same reason. With the independence of the Baltic states, Leningrad is now an exposed strategic position, whereas Moscow is more centrally located and defensible. Furthermore, this offers an opportunity to distinguish ourselves from the Russian Empire centered in St. Petersburg.
If Leningrad isn't our capitol, why worry about that tiny stretch of land. Being in a much better financial position and making our own people relatively wealthy will be more attractive, they will want to join us voluntary.
D) get rid of the wholly unnecessary nation states, reorganising the USSR into districts of equal economic power, restructuring every 5 years. No nation lines to divide us via, nor to organise resistance.
E - but only if there is money
Oh yeah, that is a good suggestion. Can support that.
An idea I wanted to throw around as well is to create filmmaking facilities in Crimea. During the Civil War, while Crimea was a White holdout, film enterpreneur Aleksandr Khanzhonkov tried to turn Yalta into "Russian Babelsberg", and it's not like the concept doesn't have merit. Crimea is a diverse place, with many different climate zones that can double for various places, plus there's a symbolic fact that Anton Chekhov lived in Yalta, and cinema and theater are historically heavily intertwined fields in Russian tradition.