Our Great America: A TL (Revised Version)

DISREGARD THIS THREAD, I'M REDOING IT AGAIN

DISREGARD THIS THREAD, I'LL BE REDOING THIS THREAD, YOU'LL SEE IT LATER. SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE. :(
 
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Also, a new addition is a map and flag update every 5th Chapter, so that there's something to look forward too at the end of the week.

A map at the end of every week? If I have read that right I'd encourage you to take more time on your updates. No need to rush them out on our account, we can all wait as long as it takes to craft a good one.

If I have read that wrong just ignore me, but good luck on this revised edition.
 
A map at the end of every week? If I have read that right I'd encourage you to take more time on your updates. No need to rush them out on our account, we can all wait as long as it takes to craft a good one.

Seconded. And somehow that’s not 10 characters.
 
Brilliant idea, and a rather unique POD. I will be watching this.

That said, hopefully you do not end up with the same problems as last time. The whole earlier WW1 and even the Americnas taking land in china is too far fetched to me.
 
A map at the end of every week? If I have read that right I'd encourage you to take more time on your updates. No need to rush them out on our account, we can all wait as long as it takes to craft a good one.

If I have read that wrong just ignore me, but good luck on this revised edition.

I meant to say at every fifth chapter, sorry for any confusion. But yes, I am taking more time to update these chapters. :)
 
I'm sorry to say I still have an issue with the POD. If you really want to have it become American tbh, something based on the Fraser Gold Rush would be far more likely than "America buy some land, cause it can!" Not trying to demolish your work here mate, just keep in mind how utterly improbable it is for the UK to sell land to the Americans. Without major butterflies before hand in fact, I find it essentially beyond the pale for London to give up an area they previously fought tooth and nail for against encroaching Americans.
 
I'm sorry to say I still have an issue with the POD. If you really want to have it become American tbh, something based on the Fraser Gold Rush would be far more likely than "America buy some land, cause it can!" Not trying to demolish your work here mate, just keep in mind how utterly improbable it is for the UK to sell land to the Americans. Without major butterflies before hand in fact, I find it essentially beyond the pale for London to give up an area they previously fought tooth and nail for against encroaching Americans.

Actually, this was recently edited into the Chapter, I think this will answer your problem:

Also, the British Columbia was of little strategic value to the UK, as it only opened up to the icy North Pacific, not ideal for trade, and the coal reserves were one of the many the British controlled. Meanwhile, a Manifest Destiny, Monroe Doctrine, expansionist America already had US citizens in the British Columbia, and the coal reserves were very useful to the US going through an Industrial Revolution, as the US did not have as many coal reservoirs as the UK.

Couple these reasons together, and I forsee a purchased British Columbia. ;)
 
Couple these reasons together, and I forsee a purchased British Columbia. ;)

I really don't wish to be rude, but these conditions existed OTL, yet no serious attempt at purchasing B.C. was made. Unless you can find some sound materials on the population of Americans in the B.C., I can't begin to buy this. You are completely ignoring the UK's use of the entrenched Hudson's Bay Company to colonise B.C. Most importantly, this is acting on the assumption that the British, after spending several decades of slowly developing interest in the Pacific Coast, would just sell it for the lulz.

This is your rodeo, but I can't help but question your reasoning. None of the above is meant to discourage creating a TL, constructive criticism is an integral part of good AH. I fully recommend the classic tome The Hudson's Bay Company as an Imperial Factor by John Galbraith for a more relevant understanding of what factors and interests were ongoing in the Pacific Northwest, in case, the period after the Oregon Treaty.
 
I really don't wish to be rude, but these conditions existed OTL, yet no serious attempt at purchasing B.C. was made. Unless you can find some sound materials on the population of Americans in the B.C., I can't begin to buy this. You are completely ignoring the UK's use of the entrenched Hudson's Bay Company to colonise B.C. Most importantly, this is acting on the assumption that the British, after spending several decades of slowly developing interest in the Pacific Coast, would just sell it for the lulz.

This is your rodeo, but I can't help but question your reasoning. None of the above is meant to discourage creating a TL, constructive criticism is an integral part of good AH. I fully recommend the classic tome The Hudson's Bay Company as an Imperial Factor by John Galbraith for a more relevant understanding of what factors and interests were ongoing in the Pacific Northwest, in case, the period after the Oregon Treaty.

I just looked at the Wikipedia page for the Annexation movement for British Columbia, and I have to say, there's some stuff I did miss in there, including the Hudson Bay Company. I see your point of view, and I know that support for annexation was not really that high in B.C., the British wouldn't let it go just like that, and the Hudson Bay Company wasn't really persuaded to become both anti-confederationist and pro-annexationist, but this is shortly after Britain just recently realized the Pacific importance of B.C., and when the US was willing to expand with Manifest Destiny. Also, the British never really pushed for colonization into B.C. until they realized how important it was to their Pacific trade, and that was shortly before the U.S. bought the territory. However, I hope you still enjoy the TL. Thanks for the book suggestion, I'll be sure to check that out at the local library.
 
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An even easier POD would be for Polk to push for 54'40. From everything I have read, the British were not willing to fight and would have most likely given in if pressed hard enough and offered a good enough deal. Some combination deal that allows Britain to retain Vancouver(at least in the short term) while offloading the rest onto the US(including a border with a potentially hostile Russia), would be possible. The British were far more interested in the balance of power in Europe than a small far territory with less then a 1000 people in it.

Couple that pressure for 54'40 with some greater pressure of a different Fraser Gold Rush would quickly change the complexion of the whole area. For example, an earlier Fraser gold rush would absolutely swamp the area with US citizens, and also give the US government more reason to press for the territory.

I might just use that idea, if you don't mind.
 
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That puts you back before the Civil War, which makes everything an order of magnitude more complicated, though.

Yes, but it allows me to make a more reasonable scenario in which British Columbia is annexed, so alas, I must and will redo this TL correctly.
 
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