Our Fair Country: The Commonwealth of New England

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ImSadCauseImAlone

I'd like to repeat my question about Deseret...

Since Deseret is a state, did Brigham Young still flee New England with the Mormons ITTL?

(I apologize if I am asking too many questions)
 

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ImSadCauseImAlone said:
I'd like to repeat my question about Deseret...

Since Deseret is a state, did Brigham Young still flee New England with the Mormons ITTL?

(I apologize if I am asking too many questions)
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Oh sorry! Sometimes I miss things!

Yes, he fled New England and Mormonism progressed much the same, only this time Deseret was seen as a decently attractive idea, as a way to ensure their support moving forward during/after the Civil War.
 

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Kanan said:
Oh sorry! Sometimes I miss things!

Yes, he fled New England and Mormonism progressed much the same, only this time Deseret was seen as a decently attractive idea, as a way to ensure their support moving forward during/after the Civil War.
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Thank you for answering!

There were a couple of other people I had questions about. I hope I am not just overloading you with questions.
1. With slavery not really prominent in New England, what does William Lloyd Garrison do ITTL (since I doubt The Liberator would really be needed)? I would have to guess he creates a paper for women's rights instead.
2. Do James "Wild Bill" Hickok (born in Illinois to Vermont parents IOTL) and John "Johnny Appleseed" Chapman become legendary folk heroes in New England ITTL or are they just not famous at all? New England doesn't have a lot of folklore fodder after the Revolution so maybe they fill the void.
 
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I binge read through the entire thread yesterday, and I have to say that it is all really good. The amount of effort put into this is honestly impressive.

One question:
I noticed in the US wiki box that the US flag has 13 stripes, despite only 9 of the colonies revolting. Why is that?
 
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ImSadCauseImAlone said:
Thank you for answering!

There were a couple of other people I had questions about. I hope I am not just overloading you with questions.
1. With slavery not really prominent in New England, what does William Lloyd Garrison do ITTL (since I doubt The Liberator would really be needed)? I would have to guess he creates a paper for women's rights instead.
2. Do James "Wild Bill" Hickok (born in Illinois to Vermont parents IOTL) and John "Johnny Appleseed" Chapman become legendary folk heroes in New England ITTL or are they just not famous at all? New England doesn't have a lot of folklore fodder after the Revolution so maybe they fill the void.
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1) William Lloyd Garrison worked with the Anti-Slavery Society, and was a member. His primary focus was highlighting the plague of Slavery in the United States to the wider British audience. He was also an advocate for women's rights, much more pronounced in this timeline.

2) Both are part of New England folklore. I will eventually write some more on New England culture/folklore and other misc parts of the society!

Lazer_Pages said:
I binge read through the entire thread yesterday, and I have to say that it is all really good. The amount of effort put into this is honestly impressive.

One questions:
I noticed in the US wiki box that the US flag has 13 stripes, despite only 9 of the colonies revolting. Why is that?
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Historians have debated the reasoning why the United States choose 13, as earlier flags did only include the 9 colonies which separated from Great Britain. One line of reasoning is similar to why the Confederacy slapped 13 stars on their flag - 13 colonies "seceded," yet the rebels only controlled 9. Massachusetts Bay, Plymouth, New Hampshire, and Connecticut sent representatives to the continental Congress and voted yes for separation, it was just ignored by the actual members of the legislature. (There is some historical debate if Rhode Island sent some, but the records have been lost) leading to the second theory:

The 13 stripes represent the 13 original states of the current Constitution. North Carolina, Maryland, Ohio, New York, Georgia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Delaware, South Carolina, Kentucky, New Jersey, West Florida. There's some debate over West Florida because officially the state didn't exist until 1803, but the territorial legislature ratified the Constitution as a state. I'm not kidding when I say the United States was rather unorganised for its first 30ish years of existence.
 
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Gian said:
Is there a French version of the anthem used by the Acadians and other French-speakers?
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Missed this... ugh I'm so bad sometimes.

Yes there is! My French is about as good as a toddler's so I couldn't even begin to try and translate it. Given that Acadians make up the vast majority of the Maritimes, Acadians see a special pride in the song - they see the "Shores of New England" as their own native shores, their culture being so heavily influenced by the sea. Despite the fact the poem was written by a Yale student who spent time on the Long Island Sound, it is still powerful enough to resonate with ALL New Englanders.
 

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Kanan said:
I will eventually write some more on New England culture/folklore and other misc parts of the society!
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Thank you! I'd love to see a wiki page about New England folklore, though I understand you probably have 30 or so more articles planned before it.

Having Appleseed and Hickok is certainly better than IOTL where New England's biggest post-Revolution folklore figure is (shudder) Lizzie Borden.
 
Google Maps: I-191/NH-211 Border Crossing
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    The I-191/NH-211 Border Crossing officially called the Peace Bridge Crossing, is the most heavily trafficked border crossing in North America, with millions of crossings each year. The border rests between the Town of Greenwich, Connecticut and the City of Port Chester, New York. The neighbourhood of Riverside on the New England side is more closely aligned with Port Chester across the Byram River than with the rest of the town of Greenwich, as both are heavily urbanised compared to the much more suburban town of Greenwich. Riverside, officially designated as the region south of the Prince of Wales Motorway and west of the neighbourhood of Belle Haven, has a population of 14,530. Port Chester, which is bordered by the City of Rye and the Town of Rye, has a population of 46,230. Combined with the City and Town of Rye combined have a population of 124,423, making the American side of the border far more populous than the New England side.

    The region is known for its extreme concentration of wealth, the New Haven Railroad line runs directly through the region, and people on both sides of the border will take the train into New York City or Brooklyn each morning. The New England Parkway/Prince of Wales Motorway is the largest transnational stretch of highway in North America, with twelve lanes of traffic running from the city of New Haven in New England to the City of Westchester in the United States. Due to its location, the border crossing is party to the Tri-City Agreement, which carves exemptions for New Englanders and Americans to enter the United States and New England respectively. Despite the relative ease of transportation between the two countries, at the urging of the United States, the Peace Bridge Crossing is the only motor vehicle connection the two share in Westchester/Fairfield Countries except the Rye Lake Crossing further north.

    Besides the New England Parkway (I-191) and the Prince of Wales Motorway (NH-211), the region is also serviced by the Poughkeepsie Expressway (I-295). U.S. 1 previously ran to Rye, but the opening of the New England Parkway caused the federal government to end U.S. 1 at Mamaroneck.

    This was super fun to make! If anyone has any place in New England they'd like to see a similar Google Maps view of, I'd totally do it!
     
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    Pokemon Master said:
    @Kanan Is there a New England pavilion in Epcot's World Showcaseat Disney World.
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    Yes there is! Instead of the "village traders" section next to the German pavilion, there is a representation of a traditional New England coastal town, with "narrow" streets (this is still Disney after all) and tightly packed buildings. There's an old dock that extends out into the lagoon with a fishing vessel and some buildings - kind of looking like this. The downtown area looks something like this.

    Gian said:
    Can you do one for the Boston City center, as well as Beverly (where I grew up)
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    Okay!
     
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