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I would say that TTL is more liberal than OTL's New England. In fact I'm fairly certain Kanan has said it as well. I mean OTL Canada is seen as more liberal than the US, and that's where loyalists fled in reality, so the extra loyalists, I think, don't affect things in that fashion.
Yeah, in North America only though.
 
It's been more than two months, @Kanan - the poor fellow will be dead by the time you get round to doing a Wikipedia style article as detailed as the JFK one.

Does he or does he not have "the vision thing"?

I'll get to it, eventually.

Wait, when is general election?

This autumn.

First time discovering this thread and this is awesome. just pure awesome. If I ever do a TL I hope to be as good as this one. :)

I'm glad to have you along for the ride! I always love when new people chime in <3

First time commenting, longtime lurker, first off this is the most detailed and thorough timeline I've ever seen and I've read Lions will fight bears and for queen and country. Anyway I do have a question though about the general political atmosphere, would you say OFC New England political atmosphere is even comparable to otl generally left/liberal leaning New England? I'd imagine not Bc of the history of loyalism and the influx of loyalists who tended to more conservative.

Wow, thanks! I strive for the best!

The political atmosphere of New England is more partisan simply by virtue of one party not being more dominate than the other (DEM vs GOP). There's political fights, varying opinions and the like. There's hard-core Conservative Catholic areas (Acadia and some Irish/Polish dominated places) along with super left urban socialism (Brooklyn, New Haven, Albany). While all of these things also exist in the actual New England, they are much more pronounced given the fact that they can actually get to power (see: New Hampshire National Socialists) and proportionally make up a larger part of the national debate than in reality.

I would say that TTL is more liberal than OTL's New England. In fact I'm fairly certain Kanan has said it as well. I mean OTL Canada is seen as more liberal than the US, and that's where loyalists fled in reality, so the extra loyalists, I think, don't affect things in that fashion.

The extra loyalists didn't really do much for Conservatism 200 years later. New England is generally a bit more liberal than reality socially, but fiscally more Conservative. It's just a generic, bland centrist parliamentary democracy. Yawn.

Hey everyone! Also, LOVE everything you've done, Kanan!

I'm glad!

Well, even then, it had the edge by virtue of not having slavery or Jim Crow (on anywhere near the scale the US had it, at least).

If you are looking at New England relative to the United States - yes it is more left leaning and liberal. The issue here I think is that the United States itself is so different, fundamentally. Jim Crow never rose to power and the Southern Bloc was mercilessly crushed by the numerically superior North as retribution for the bloody war and the years of minority rule (Southern Democrats) prior to the war. African Americans make up a significant voting bloc, and the concept of rural/urban social relief (but not quite socialism) is championed by Social Labor. The Nationals are also more of a Libertarian Party rather than a religious Conservative one.

The U.S state of Hamilton ITTL seems to bare a lot of similarities to the real life Washington state.

The flag is similar. That's about it.
 
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EXIT POLL:

NECN can now report we expect New Englanders to have voted to change the national flag to the "Pine Tree" variant narrowly. The voter turnout was low, near thirty percent. These are just exit poll numbers, and subject to change.


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Ah, good ol' Sir George. I love the fact that he's basically the (Ronald) Reagan of New England, in the sense that he oversaw the conservative 80's (among other parallels) and then I love the fact that one of the Governor-Generals he served with was named Regan (no relation and different spelling, but still). Do people still harp on ol' George's knighthood now that he's a doddering old man, or was that more of a 90's thing? Like has the attitude towards knighthood (and George) softened somewhat? Specially, I suppose, the 'millennial' attitude towards knighthood vs the Gen X/Baby Boomer attitude. I imagine the generational attitude are somewhat similar and it just seems to me like millennial's would be more 'down with' knighthoods. Does this timeline even use the same generational terms?

Also, speaking of Governor-Generals, I notice the ones listed under PM Kennedy's infobox (Sherman Adams and Paul Douglas) don't align with the GG list you supplied, but Sir George's GG's do. Is the Govenor-General list below accurate, with just Kennedy's box being wrong, or does the whole list need updating? Also, I see a GG listed after Bruno, is that a hint of things to come?

 
EXIT POLL:

NECN can now report we expect New Englanders to have voted to change the national flag to the "Pine Tree" variant narrowly. The voter turnout was low, near thirty percent. These are just exit poll numbers, and subject to change.


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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
 
The flag referendum is nice. @Kanan

...Unless of course, there was a minimum threshold for it to take effect.

Which is exactly the kind of thing to be an issue in the next election. Too few people deciding by a small margin to change, this just plays into the Tories point that there shouldn't have had this referendum in the first place.
 
With turnout that low will the change even go ahead. With turnout that low I wouldn't be shocked if conservatives win they pull back on the change.
 
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The full senate reminds me to ask, what's Ted Cruz up to? Did his father never leave Cuba with it being a US State? Or is Ted still up in Calgary and fitting in nicely as a backbencher for Newhouse's further-right PCs?

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Neat variations on the flags too! New Brunswick without its weird boat is a bit odd at first but it makes for a less cluttered flag, and Nova Scotia with a French coat of arms works really well and is another reminder of the stronger Acadian presence in New England. Sorry for bumping old content, hadn't checked the thread in a while and these were the most recent unread posts.
 
EXIT POLL:

NECN can now report we expect New Englanders to have voted to change the national flag to the "Pine Tree" variant narrowly. The voter turnout was low, near thirty percent. These are just exit poll numbers, and subject to change.


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But, if it had to change, then the Pine Tree flag is the best option.
 
Oh, bugger.

Well, I suppose at least Canada kept the Red Ensign. There's something. And it's not as if New England will be abandoning the Commonwealth.
 
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