Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Kanan, Jan 11, 2018.
So, I assume, that a British government hasn't privatised LITERALLY EVERYTHING either.
Let's just say that Britons mobile phone plans are run by the Government, and steel workers receive their paycheques from HM Treasury.
It's kinda hard for me to, off the top of my head, not name something that the Government doesn't either own or heavily manage.
Think of the Superpowers like this.
Left: Soviet Union, State-owned Communism
Centre: British Capitalism of State-owned enterprise existing alongside a regulated market economy
Right: United States, Free-market capitalism with regulations and support of labour unions
Really rooting for the Conservatives to beat Sanders.
*plots to partially over-write OTL with elements of ATL*
Yes... because the Americans and Canadians are renowned for their love of football.....
I really don't know how I feel about this, while I feel we should nationalise more industries such as rail and power. The state being the main driver of the economy feels far too socialist for my liking.
What about this; most of the FTSE 100 and 250 are PLCs and are publicly traded but the government maintains a 20% share that enables the firm to remain British and aren't owned by foreigners. Also, we engage in state capitalism wherein the government can start profit-making firms.
Personally, I think that the UK's government owning a lot of the economy is going to spell some bad times for the UK, and if the recession that occurs is anything like OTL 1997-8 in Asia, than a recession might spread to most, if not all of Europe.
I'm still curious as to why Bernie Sanders? We all know who'd be the real leader of the Social Democrats ITTL.
Who is the Leader of the Itallian Facist party?
"Yy...y'don't understand, Ricky, Geoff Regan's gonna mess up all the country. He's not the liquor; I am!"
The Crown Colony of Puiluah was the period of time in which Pu'uola Harbour was under British Crown rule from 1883 to 1997. It was established as a Crown Colony following the signing of a ninety-nine year lease in the Treaty of Kaimuki with the Kingdom of Hawai'i. During the Hawai'i Emergency, in which white American planters attempted to overthrow the rule of the native Hawai'ian monarchy, the territory was expanded to include the nearby island of Mokuʻumeʻume (promptly renamed Cook Island) and the Royal Navy occupied the Left Bank in order to secure the naval station. The Honolulu Convention in 1943 expanded the territory to its fullest extent, with the United Kingdom annexing Wroxham Point and greatly expanding the territory allotted to the military base and City of Brentford.
Despite signing the ninety-nine year lease in 1883, British Prime Minister James Callaghan was able to negotiate a fifteen year extension due to the precieved need for an operating base in the Pacific Ocean. When that lease came up, the British handed over the territory to the Hawai'ians in the Handover of Puʻuloa which affirmed Hawai'ian ownership of the territory, the re-integration of the Left Bank, Wroxham Point, Cook Island, and Brentford (Puʻuloa City) into Hawai'i, and the continued leasing of a naval base in Pu'uola Harbour to the United Kingdom. The Anglo-Hawai'ian Accords established a yearly system of rent payments, and the Hawai'ians were given the ability to request warships to be withdrawn from their territory if they so desired. HM Naval Station Pu'uola Harbour remains the only major British base on the sovereign territory outside of the United Kingdom or the Commonwealth.
I love how this timeline has gotten so big that its Wikipedia pages have links to other pages.
I assume in this world, television remains all but the BBC's domain?
Labour was opposed to ITV when the Tories first rolled it out, after all.
I can see British people completely accustomed to the BBC being the only mode of television and any scent of a new non-BBC channel being condemned as "bringing America into our living rooms".
Puilah, ATL's version of Hong Kong?
it needs a high enough GDP per capita.
What happens to Keith Floyd? Is he as successful as he was IOTL? Are his shows shown in New England?
It's Pearl Harbor. Pu'uloa (Long Hill) is a Hawaiian name for it.
The similarities are that it was handed over to the host country after a lease period and... that's about it. To this day, Puʻuloa Harbour remains an important British military asset, and is the location of Britain's Pacific Fleet. The former territory of the British Crown Colony is where the majority of the country's Anglo population live, and in general has a more efficient infrastructure and investment than Honolulu, making the much smaller Puʻuloa City (formerly Brentford) the country's economic engine over Honolulu.
I really don't like the Politcal system of the UK if what you said about Government spending is correct, not just that but Growth must be the worst in the World bar the Soviet Union if this is the case, also how many strikes are there in the UK, Is it still a case of the Three day work week, I imagine that without Thatcher (or the stuff she implemented) this would still be the case. No I do Not like the UKs Government system, not one bit.
Note, there are other western governments that spend more as a percentage of GDP than that IOTL, such as Finland (55%), France (56%) and Denmark (58%), whilst Belgium spends 53%. Last time I checked, their economies weren't imploding. As long as the economy is healthy, spending can be very high and still be sustainable.
Separate names with a comma.