Ottomans peace out of WW1?

Hello, new here, first post, not sure if this is the right way to go about it but here goes:

Is there anyway that the Ottoman Empire could have at any point peaced out of WW1 once they'd thrown their lot in with the CPs? Preferably in an advantageous position, so maybe not a miraculous Gallipoli (perhaps a Gallipoli butchered exceptionally worse than OTL?), and with a respectable record of successes on the Palestinian and Caucasus front.

Essentially they end up being a very successful ally, but they see the writing on the wall come 1917. Bonus if they're A able to leave the war during or after the October revolution, and B if they manage to leave with either no territorial losses or with Entente concessions (Kuwait? The Caucasian states? Kamchatka?).
 
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Kamchatka? That's a little far.

I can't see the Ottomans peacing out with gains or with their pre-war territory. By 1917 Hijaz, Jerusalem, and Baghdad had fallen. The French will demand Lebanon and perhaps the Alawite Coast. Minor border concessions to the Russians (a sliver of Pontus, potentially extending to Trabzon) would also be in order. The Turks would also be required to open the straits.

I could see them keeping Damascus, Aleppo, Mosul, Kirkuk, Sulaymaniyah, Alexandretta, and whatnot.
 
Kamchatka? That's a little far.

I can't see the Ottomans peacing out with gains or with their pre-war territory. By 1917 Hijaz, Jerusalem, and Baghdad had fallen. The French will demand Lebanon and perhaps the Alawite Coast. Minor border concessions to the Russians (a sliver of Pontus, potentially extending to Trabzon) would also be in order. The Turks would also be required to open the straits.

I could see them keeping Damascus, Aleppo, Mosul, Kirkuk, Sulaymaniyah, Alexandretta, and whatnot.

Just a little, there is the whole 'Siberia' thing in between

I was thinking if they had been a little more successful on the Palestinian front, they might've been able to hang onto Hejaz, Jerusalem and Baghdad by 1917-and be in a considerably better bargaining position. I doubt the French will press their demands too hard if they can get the Ottomans out of the war and free up Entente troops.
Plus, would they be making border concessions to the Russians in 1917? I was under the impression the military situation there was slowly going sour for the Russians, and October wouldn't have helped much with that front
 
Any peace out would make the Ottomans the Germans preferred excuse for why the war was lost.
Lots of butterflies in that room.
 
I suggest you research the various "East First" threads where the war is potentially limited to just the CPs versus France and Russia, there you can have the Ottomans standing neutral, possibly CP leaning in her dealings but nothing overt. If you keep the UK a neutral then you hold out Italy and the Ottomans who remain balanced on the edge of this war. Be careful of the Greeks who are argued to intercept the Ottoman battleships and provoke a Greco-Ottoman War. Avoid that and the Ottomans can enter the war later, stay out totally, or some blending. I think it is very plausible to have the Ottomans remain outside the European war and survive. Once the Ottomans are in the war I think you need a CP victory or at minimum a stalemate to have the Ottomans survive, any German defeat has effectively doomed the Ottomans who were carved upon the platter right at the outset, France and the UK will divide her corpse once the need to offset Russia falls away, and keeping Russia alive introduces another vulture to the feast.
 
Have the RN not receive ambiguous orders regarding 'not engaging a superior force' from Winston and intercepts the BC Goeben and CL Breslau before it gets to Turkey and sink them (at what ever cost) or the French guess correctly that the ships were heading East and intercept them earlier.

Whatever the outcome both ships are not able to make it to Turkey

Also the British (and by British I mean that bloody man Winston again) do not seize the Sultan Osman I and Reshadieh (which became HMS Agincourt and HMS Erin) - as this angered Ottoman public opinion agaisnt the British and turned the Pro British Ottoman Navy against them as well in line with the Pro German Army - the British did not need those ships as badly as they needed to keep the Ottomans on side.

Acheive all that and the Ottomans stay neutral and the Dardanelles remain open to shipping - Hurrah!
 

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The battleship confiscation is a non issue as the Pasha (forgot the rest of his name)had decided to go with Getmany days before that.

By the time we get to 1917 there will be no peace with the western allies without unconditional surrender.

Now a major defeat at 3rd Gaza may cause the Allies rethink an attack into Palestine
 
There were halfhearted negotiations between the British and Ottomans for a separate peace in 1917 and early 1918. The British refused to give up the goal of having the Levant and Mesopotamia, and the Ottomans refused to give it up. Neither side seriously considered peace though, just to see what the other was willing to give up (nothing). No one actually wanted anything less than total victory.

The British would never sign disadvantageous separate peace with the Ottomans barring catastrophe on the Western front. Also the Ottomans wouldn’t just abandon the rest of the Central Powers for a separate peace if they were winning, it would be counterintuitive.
 
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