How to make the Ottoman Empire manages to colonize and take Italy, like they did with Greece in OTL.
Well, they got a foothold, maybe the push for it rather balkans after bot a comfty cushion in the region? and focusing more in the navy they would got for it, maybe winning lepanto too(RIP cervantes)How to make the Ottoman Empire manages to colonize and take Italy, like they did with Greece in OTL.
How to make the Ottoman Empire manages to colonize and take Italy, like they did with Greece in OTL.
Honestly most of italy is better material for romanian style vassals or anti HRE allies than Eyalets.Colonize? Not happening. Conquering? Possible between 1479 and 1542.
Colonize? Not happening. Conquering? Possible between 1479 and 1542.
Honestly most of italy is better material for romanian style vassals or anti HRE allies than Eyalets.
If this is before the Protestant Reformation, there is no chance in Hell that Europe would let them get away with it.
Catholic-Byzantine relations had been suboptimal since the great schism, and the massacre of the Latins and then the fourth crusade made it even worse.
Catholic Europe didn’t care enough about the Byzantines to save them.
But Italy, which is Catholic, often ruled by French and German dynasties, and the home of the pope being conquered by the Muslim ottomans would unite pretty much all of Catholic Europe against them.
Probably another crusade would happen, and it would probably be much bigger than the earlier ones.
Ottomans would probably lose all their land in Europe, including Constantinople.
If it happened after the reformation, they could probably get away with it because the Europeans would be too busy fighting each other to put up any effective resistance.
Yeah no. You have a simple idea on how Europe would respond. Suleiman crushed Hungary in Mohacs in two hours yet it did not bring France to the HRE sides. The Ottomans even attempted to land in 1537, still no pan-European Crusade. In 1480, when the Ottomans landed in Otranto it did not bring Europe together when the fall of Italy seemed so close. All it did bring was 2,000 Hungarians and Papal Forces AFTER the Ottomans abandoned Otranto due to Mehmed II death.
None of that threatened the pope, though.
If the Catholic nations become worried that their Pope would become a puppet of an Islamic empire, they would do everything in their power to prevent it.
Remember, this is before the Enlightenment and secularism, both of which made religion a less salient factor diplomatically and militarily, and also before Colonialism, which meant that the European powers could devote all of their resources to fighting the Ottomans in Italy, instead of having to deal with protecting colonies across the world.
If the Catholic nations become worried that their Pope would become a puppet of an Islamic empire, they would do everything in their power to prevent it.
If he flies, if not we could see a new schism with regional popes(one in france) just in time for the protestant reform...that will be funThen you don't know the meaning of threat. An Ottoman Army landed in Italy with the intention to conquer Rome, not spend their holiday in Otranto. That is in hindsight. Nobody united.
And the Pope would not be an Ottoman Puppet as he would flee to Avignon. The Ottomans would however put their own Pope as the head of Catholics.
The last part makes no sense to me.
Then you don't know the meaning of threat. An Ottoman Army landed in Italy with the intention to conquer Rome, not spend their holiday in Otranto. That is in hindsight. Nobody united.
And the Pope would not be an Ottoman Puppet as he would flee to Avignon. The Ottomans would however put their own Pope as the head of Catholics.
The last part makes no sense to me.
None of that threatened the pope, though.
If the Catholic nations become worried that their Pope would become a puppet of an Islamic empire, they would do everything in their power to prevent it.
Remember, this is before the Enlightenment and secularism, both of which made religion a less salient factor diplomatically and militarily, and also before Colonialism, which meant that the European powers could devote all of their resources to fighting the Ottomans in Italy, instead of having to deal with protecting colonies across the world.
If he flies, if not we could see a new schism with regional popes(one in france) just in time for the protestant reform...that will be fun
Otranto is far away from Rome. If the Ottomans were actually closing in, then the Europeans would have probably done something.
The last part means that colonizing the Americas diverted resources from the European powers, making it harder for them to fight land wars in Europe.
Interesting, I had no idea that the Ottomans did participate in the Italian War of 1536-1538.Then you don't know the meaning of threat. An Ottoman Army landed in Italy with the intention to conquer Rome, not spend their holiday in Otranto. That is in hindsight. Nobody united.
And the Pope would not be an Ottoman Puppet as he would flee to Avignon. The Ottomans would however put their own Pope as the head of Catholics.
The last part makes no sense to me.
It butterflies away reformation and creates national Churches in Europe most likely.
In front..really this place is very pro christian...the real thing..is a reactionary move tyring to liberated moved and that is still a big if, if happens, specially as france and spanish we're waring at the time?How closer do the Ottomans have to be to threaten Rome? In front of the St. Peter? The landing in Otranto was literally with the intention to conquer Rome... like literally.
How closer do the Ottomans have to be to threaten Rome? In front of the St. Peter? The landing in Otranto was literally with the intention to conquer Rome... like literally.
Interesting, I had no idea that the Ottomans did participate in the Italian War of 1536-1538.
Yeah no. You have a simple idea on how Europe would respond. Suleiman crushed Hungary in Mohacs in two hours yet it did not bring France to the HRE sides. The Ottomans even attempted to land in 1537, still no pan-European Crusade. In 1480, when the Ottomans landed in Otranto it did not bring Europe together when the fall of Italy seemed so close. All it did bring was 2,000 Hungarians and Papal Forces AFTER the Ottomans abandoned Otranto due to Mehmed II death.