Ottomans conquer Italy

How to make the Ottoman Empire manages to colonize and take Italy, like they did with Greece in OTL.
Well, they got a foothold, maybe the push for it rather balkans after bot a comfty cushion in the region? and focusing more in the navy they would got for it, maybe winning lepanto too(RIP cervantes)
 
The only part of italy I can see them holding its Sicily (unless we count Malta as part of Italy) they would need naval hegemony all the way from the eastern mediterranean to the middle.
 
Colonize? Not happening. Conquering? Possible between 1479 and 1542.

Conquering Sicily and Naples, making Venice to recognize Sultan as an overlord and perhaps making the same arrangements with at least some states in the Central Italy (hardly formally possible with Papal State but could be done to Florence, etc.). This may (or may not) happen and last for a while if the whole thing occurs prior to the Italian wars, in the late 1470's - early 1480's : Spain is out of picture being busy with Reconquest, Louis XI is busy consolidating France and fighting Maximillian over the Burgundian Inheritance (defeated at Guinegate in 1479), Maximillian's father has neither money nor troops (and the landsknechts are a force of the future). In Italian states the wars are conducted by the Condottieri: still predominantly lance-based cavalry even if by the mid-XVI their bands started including the infantry with the firearms and pole-arms; to arrange for their close cooperation would be a formidable task.

If you are talking the early 1520's (prior to the battle of Pavia, to minimize butterflies) and an earlier French-Ottoman alliance, then it would be an interested arrangement of French getting the Duchy of Milan, Genoa and Savoy and the Ottomans - Southern Italy: against their combination forces in the disposal of Charles V could be inadequate but this schema assumes a reasonably good coordination between the new allies with the Ottomans making Italy their top priority.
 
If this is before the Protestant Reformation, there is no chance in Hell that Europe would let them get away with it.

Catholic-Byzantine relations had been suboptimal since the great schism, and the massacre of the Latins and then the fourth crusade made it even worse.

Catholic Europe didn’t care enough about the Byzantines to save them.

But Italy, which is Catholic, often ruled by French and German dynasties, and the home of the pope being conquered by the Muslim ottomans would unite pretty much all of Catholic Europe against them.

Probably another crusade would happen, and it would probably be much bigger than the earlier ones.

Ottomans would probably lose all their land in Europe, including Constantinople.

If it happened after the reformation, they could probably get away with it because the Europeans would be too busy fighting each other to put up any effective resistance.
 
Honestly most of italy is better material for romanian style vassals or anti HRE allies than Eyalets.

Conquering entire Italy is not feasible as far as I think. Especially anything North of the Papal States. The North Italian States would have to be vassals. Conquering Northern Italy opens new fronts and consolidating a firm Christian region is waste of resources if you are not willing to enforce Islamization (which is not going to happen).
 
If this is before the Protestant Reformation, there is no chance in Hell that Europe would let them get away with it.

Catholic-Byzantine relations had been suboptimal since the great schism, and the massacre of the Latins and then the fourth crusade made it even worse.

Catholic Europe didn’t care enough about the Byzantines to save them.

But Italy, which is Catholic, often ruled by French and German dynasties, and the home of the pope being conquered by the Muslim ottomans would unite pretty much all of Catholic Europe against them.

Probably another crusade would happen, and it would probably be much bigger than the earlier ones.

Ottomans would probably lose all their land in Europe, including Constantinople.

If it happened after the reformation, they could probably get away with it because the Europeans would be too busy fighting each other to put up any effective resistance.

Yeah no. You have a simple idea on how Europe would respond. Suleiman crushed Hungary in Mohacs in two hours yet it did not bring France to the HRE sides. The Ottomans even attempted to land in 1537, still no pan-European Crusade. In 1480, when the Ottomans landed in Otranto it did not bring Europe together when the fall of Italy seemed so close. All it did bring was 2,000 Hungarians and Papal Forces AFTER the Ottomans abandoned Otranto due to Mehmed II death.
 
Yeah no. You have a simple idea on how Europe would respond. Suleiman crushed Hungary in Mohacs in two hours yet it did not bring France to the HRE sides. The Ottomans even attempted to land in 1537, still no pan-European Crusade. In 1480, when the Ottomans landed in Otranto it did not bring Europe together when the fall of Italy seemed so close. All it did bring was 2,000 Hungarians and Papal Forces AFTER the Ottomans abandoned Otranto due to Mehmed II death.

None of that threatened the pope, though.

If the Catholic nations become worried that their Pope would become a puppet of an Islamic empire, they would do everything in their power to prevent it.

Remember, this is before the Enlightenment and secularism, both of which made religion a less salient factor diplomatically and militarily, and also before Colonialism, which meant that the European powers could devote all of their resources to fighting the Ottomans in Italy, instead of having to deal with protecting colonies across the world.
 
None of that threatened the pope, though.

If the Catholic nations become worried that their Pope would become a puppet of an Islamic empire, they would do everything in their power to prevent it.

Remember, this is before the Enlightenment and secularism, both of which made religion a less salient factor diplomatically and militarily, and also before Colonialism, which meant that the European powers could devote all of their resources to fighting the Ottomans in Italy, instead of having to deal with protecting colonies across the world.

Then you don't know the meaning of threat. An Ottoman Army landed in Italy with the intention to conquer Rome, not spend their holiday in Otranto. That is in hindsight. Nobody united.

And the Pope would not be an Ottoman Puppet as he would flee to Avignon. The Ottomans would however put their own Pope as the head of Catholics.

The last part makes no sense to me.
 
If the Catholic nations become worried that their Pope would become a puppet of an Islamic empire, they would do everything in their power to prevent it.
Then you don't know the meaning of threat. An Ottoman Army landed in Italy with the intention to conquer Rome, not spend their holiday in Otranto. That is in hindsight. Nobody united.

And the Pope would not be an Ottoman Puppet as he would flee to Avignon. The Ottomans would however put their own Pope as the head of Catholics.

The last part makes no sense to me.
If he flies, if not we could see a new schism with regional popes(one in france) just in time for the protestant reform...that will be fun
 
Then you don't know the meaning of threat. An Ottoman Army landed in Italy with the intention to conquer Rome, not spend their holiday in Otranto. That is in hindsight. Nobody united.

And the Pope would not be an Ottoman Puppet as he would flee to Avignon. The Ottomans would however put their own Pope as the head of Catholics.

The last part makes no sense to me.
None of that threatened the pope, though.

If the Catholic nations become worried that their Pope would become a puppet of an Islamic empire, they would do everything in their power to prevent it.

Remember, this is before the Enlightenment and secularism, both of which made religion a less salient factor diplomatically and militarily, and also before Colonialism, which meant that the European powers could devote all of their resources to fighting the Ottomans in Italy, instead of having to deal with protecting colonies across the world.

Otranto is far away from Rome. If the Ottomans were actually closing in, then the Europeans would have probably done something.

The last part means that colonizing the Americas diverted resources from the European powers, making it harder for them to fight land wars in Europe.
 
Otranto is far away from Rome. If the Ottomans were actually closing in, then the Europeans would have probably done something.

The last part means that colonizing the Americas diverted resources from the European powers, making it harder for them to fight land wars in Europe.

How closer do the Ottomans have to be to threaten Rome? In front of the St. Peter? The landing in Otranto was literally with the intention to conquer Rome... like literally.
 
Then you don't know the meaning of threat. An Ottoman Army landed in Italy with the intention to conquer Rome, not spend their holiday in Otranto. That is in hindsight. Nobody united.

And the Pope would not be an Ottoman Puppet as he would flee to Avignon. The Ottomans would however put their own Pope as the head of Catholics.

The last part makes no sense to me.
Interesting, I had no idea that the Ottomans did participate in the Italian War of 1536-1538.
 
It butterflies away reformation and creates national Churches in Europe most likely.
How closer do the Ottomans have to be to threaten Rome? In front of the St. Peter? The landing in Otranto was literally with the intention to conquer Rome... like literally.
In front..really this place is very pro christian...the real thing..is a reactionary move tyring to liberated moved and that is still a big if, if happens, specially as france and spanish we're waring at the time?

The thing as you say, we could see a fragmente christianity early if the ottomans really take rome
 
Interesting, I had no idea that the Ottomans did participate in the Italian War of 1536-1538.

There was an idea to divide Italy with France. But Francis I backed down for some reason and combined with failing to secure Corfu pretty much ended the campaign in 1538. Some coastal towns were conquered in Apulia but abandoned soon after.
 
Yeah no. You have a simple idea on how Europe would respond. Suleiman crushed Hungary in Mohacs in two hours yet it did not bring France to the HRE sides. The Ottomans even attempted to land in 1537, still no pan-European Crusade. In 1480, when the Ottomans landed in Otranto it did not bring Europe together when the fall of Italy seemed so close. All it did bring was 2,000 Hungarians and Papal Forces AFTER the Ottomans abandoned Otranto due to Mehmed II death.

Yes I’m sure France will react in completely similar way to the Ottomans conquering neighboring territories to France like they reacted to territories laying 1000 kilometer east of the French eastern border being conquered. Just as I’m sure the Ottomans wouldn’t react at all if the France for example landed a army in Egypt, because they was so great allies.

The France didn’t care about Hungary because it was far away and the Habsburg’s problem, they didn’t care about a Ottoman army conquering a single city in Italy as far away as it could be from France and still be in Italy and it also happened to be the Habsburg’s problem. France are going to react when the Ottomans tries to take land France have a real interest in.
 
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