Ottoman Victory in 1877-78 War - Need Help

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A random question but if the Ottoman Empire were to win and institute some of the iniatiatives Abdul Hadi Pasha mentioned, plus holding onto Egypt and the Suez Canal what would relations with the United Kingdom be like? From what I remember attitudes at the time were kind of schizophrenic depending on who was in power swinging between the Plamerston-Disraeli school of thought supporting the Ottomans as a brake against Russian expansion in the Balkans or French control of the Suez Canal and the Gladstone school which was fairly anti-Ottoman.

With the Ottomans beating the Russians and continuing to control an artery of Empire in the Canal could we see British making a major move to improve relations with the Ottomans and offers of help?
 
Hey, it's alive! :)

A random question but if the Ottoman Empire were to win and institute some of the iniatiatives Abdul Hadi Pasha mentioned, plus holding onto Egypt and the Suez Canal what would relations with the United Kingdom be like? From what I remember attitudes at the time were kind of schizophrenic depending on who was in power swinging between the Plamerston-Disraeli school of thought supporting the Ottomans as a brake against Russian expansion in the Balkans or French control of the Suez Canal and the Gladstone school which was fairly anti-Ottoman.

With the Ottomans beating the Russians and continuing to control an artery of Empire in the Canal could we see British making a major move to improve relations with the Ottomans and offers of help?

Hmm...

Without the occupation of Egypt by British, the influence of French capital there will be much more dominant (let alone French capital invested in the Ottoman Empire itself, which was IIRC the main source of the money used for modernization), Ottoman Empire will be pretty much a French near-ally, in addition to British influence in the Red Sea and Easter Meds be much weaker, and as for the Red Sea, Ottomans will surely interested to make it Ottoman lake, and this will may lead to some dispute with the British. Potential for frictions with the French is now only restricted to Saharas only, at that mainly with the French Army, not with the French government which was dominated by people who invested their money in the empire, particularly in Egypt. There, Ottomans will most likely cooperate with the British to forestall the French Army's colonial expansion eastward, and we might even see a surviving Sokoto Kingdom as the result(and yes, it will be more profitable for the British in Nigeria).....

Certainly in the long run, British will want to limit the effects of Franco-Ottoman axis that are negative for them, and will certainly try to move empire's momentum toward their direction as much as possible, but in this scenario this will be much harder of a task with France's position being far ahead of them in this case, and also with Ottomans being much more of an independent force in the global politics themselves.....
 
I know that Pasha is currently busy with his new job at the moment, but I'd like to bump this thread just to remind people that the idea for this kind of TL exists and that Pasha started it and still has not finished it.
 

Don Grey

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I know that Pasha is currently busy with his new job at the moment, but I'd like to bump this thread just to remind people that the idea for this kind of TL exists and that Pasha started it and still has not finished it.

That should explaine why the TL has been taking so long. I hope he gets it done im sure its going to be great.
 
Just thought I'd bump this. I know Abdul will be busy with RL and that this TL will take a long time to write out but it would be nice to see how things are going at the moment.
 
It's a terrible necromancy, I know.

But when I ran again into this thread, and found out that the original question of the thread, that is about Russia, has been left unanswered. I mean, there's Nassirissimo's TL, but I would still say this particular area has been very seldom explored.
 
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