Ottoman Interregnum: Could the Ottomans Have Collapsed in the 1400s?

That is kinda hard though, but if we can somehow butterfly the rise of the Danestis, then we'd just open up more questions. Moreover, what kind of PoD would we need to prevent the Danestis from becoming powerful?
 
If we at least have Mircea the elder's reign last without a re surging Ottoman Empire in Europe and Micheal's reign lasts more than 2 years. There could be a greatly stable Wallachia if their is no reason for Hungary or anyone else to go play musical Voivode.
 
One thing about destabelization from the east (Timur, et al) taking down the Ottomans around 1400 is that they have a solid Balkan power base including a capital at Adrianopole by then. They could be cut off and go native even more than they did, but expelling them is easier said than done.
 
Go native? That would have been a lot harder, especially with their Muslim faith. I suppose they can go the same route as the Gagauz Turks in Moldavia and convert from Islam to Orthodox Christanity.
 
Go native? That would have been a lot harder, especially with their Muslim faith. I suppose they can go the same route as the Gagauz Turks in Moldavia and convert from Islam to Orthodox Christanity.

It would probably have been the opposite, pushing for Islamizatoon and Turkification of the Rumealians. The Osman Hoise had a pretty strong view of itself as. A Sunni power blessed by God.
 
Go native? That would have been a lot harder, especially with their Muslim faith. I suppose they can go the same route as the Gagauz Turks in Moldavia and convert from Islam to Orthodox Christanity.

It would probably have been the opposite, pushing for Islamizatoon and Turkification of the Rumealians. The Osman Hoise had a pretty strong view of itself as. A Sunni power blessed by God. Though without them gaining the Middle East the rise of the spiritual character of the Caliphate would not have risen an they probably would have been more secular.
 
Also, what kind of PoD are we going to aim for the complete destruction of the Ottoman Empire during the interregnum, the stability and rise of Wallachia as a potential Balkan power and some other Turkic adventures in the Caucasus?
 
well 1402 is when the Ottoman Interregnum started, interestingly enough all of Bayazids sons were with him during the Battle of Ankara when he was captured. You could have Ankara become a disaster with Bayazids and his all of his sons being captured or killed.Several of Bayezids vassals did join Timur when he was winning and many could decided to see this moment as their shot at independence. With no threat of the Ottomans Wallachia could become stable and expand because their rulers won't have to worry about the Hungarians and the Ottomans supporting rival claimants.

We could see the Ottomans come back if at least one of Bayezids sons survives as a vassal when the Timurids eventually break up.
 
well 1402 is when the Ottoman Interregnum started, interestingly enough all of Bayazids sons were with him during the Battle of Ankara when he was captured. You could have Ankara become a disaster with Bayazids and his all of his sons being captured or killed.Several of Bayezids vassals did join Timur when he was winning and many could decided to see this moment as their shot at independence. With no threat of the Ottomans Wallachia could become stable and expand because their rulers won't have to worry about the Hungarians and the Ottomans supporting rival claimants.

We could see the Ottomans come back if at least one of Bayezids sons survives as a vassal when the Timurids eventually break up.

Instead, Wallachia just has to worry about Hungarians supporting rival claimants. Better than OTL, but not assured freedom to be stable and expand.
 
Instead, Wallachia just has to worry about Hungarians supporting rival claimants. Better than OTL, but not assured freedom to be stable and expand.

It's why I said could, at the most the seesawing of rulers could be greatly reduced, anything else is up in the air.
 
well 1402 is when the Ottoman Interregnum started, interestingly enough all of Bayazids sons were with him during the Battle of Ankara when he was captured. You could have Ankara become a disaster with Bayazids and his all of his sons being captured or killed.Several of Bayezids vassals did join Timur when he was winning and many could decided to see this moment as their shot at independence. With no threat of the Ottomans Wallachia could become stable and expand because their rulers won't have to worry about the Hungarians and the Ottomans supporting rival claimants.

We could see the Ottomans come back if at least one of Bayezids sons survives as a vassal when the Timurids eventually break up.


Those vassals were either Balkan Christian states or Turkish vilayets, and yes only the Hungarians would actually be a credible threat to Wallachia's selection of claimants. Of course, I'm wondering if Timur would still act like his brutish self and decides to get rid of the House of Osman by killing Bayezid and his sons. That alone would open up a huge power vaccum that might allow the Karamanids to expand, and in the Balkans Wallachia could set its house in order, Bulgaria can just walk the stability tightrope, and Serbia would have plenty of time to fix everything that has gone wrong during Dusan's reign.

As for the Hungarians, I'm not sure if they'd be tempted to conquer Bosnia and Dalmatia in order to expand their domains. What else can I add? Oh yeah, the Byzantines may eventually be conquered sometime down the road, although it might be Wallachia who conquers it, or someone else.
 
As for the Hungarians, I'm not sure if they'd be tempted to conquer Bosnia and Dalmatia in order to expand their domains. What else can I add? Oh yeah, the Byzantines may eventually be conquered sometime down the road, although it might be Wallachia who conquers it, or someone else.

I am. They most definitely would.
 
After all, Elizabeth of Bosnia was married to Louis of Hungary. Although I also wonder if Wallachia can avoid becoming a Hungarian vassal at all.
 
Although I doubt Hungary would become the undisputed master of the Balkans, even with vassal states at her southern borders. I did set up a thread, asking if the roles of France and Hungary could be switched around.
 
On the other hand, would killing off Bayezid and Murad during the Battle of Kosovo and have Yakub Bey succeed as Sultan have the opposite effect?
 
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