Ottoman Interregnum: Could the Ottomans Have Collapsed in the 1400s?

There were somewhere on the order of a dozen crusades called for over the course of the 1400s, but most went unanswered, and the few that came to anything came up just a bit short, often to the point of bad luck. In my opinion, any time before Mehmed II takes Constantinople the Ottomans are in serious danger of falling apart. They are an empire without a significant navy divided in two by a semi hostile bosporus and the Venetian vulture looking for anything that they can profit from. Worse still, approximately half of their people if not more are still Christian and definitely not Turkish. Mehmed II fixes the most important problem by taking Constantinople, adding more Islamic turkish subjects through his eastern conquests, and creating the beginnings of the Ottoman navy as a dominant force. He also did a good job of milking the idea that he was better for Orthodoxy than the Pope by naming his own patriarch of Constantinople and keeping him in his pocket. Without all of this, the Ottoman Empire is still quite fragile in my opinion, and a significant defeat by westen forces that is actually followed up on could very possibly cost them their lands in Europe.

There quite good reasons why the significant defeat you name failed to materialize IOTL. Not impossible, a decisive blow from the West in the immediate aftermath of Ankara would have been very, very destabilizing form the Ottomans. But there was nobody willing and able to deal that blow, also because the last attempt at it had just failed quite badly at Nicopolis.
 
Was Trebizond already on the verge of collapse during the Ottoman interregnum? I could see them trying to regain power in a hopeless attempt.
 
I'm not sure, depends on Timur.

Actually this happened OTL, he attempted to get several christian kings in on his alliance against the Ottomans but none of them really bit (some where scared the Timurids would end up being a bigger threat than the Ottomans, others just didnt have the resources, the king of Castille apparently ended up as a regular correspondent with Timur actually).
 
Well, during this period their were four sons of Bayezid. Two of them were successfully used by the Turk Beyliks or Timurids or Wallachia or the Byzantines to overthrow and make trouble for those in power. Sulemayin was overthrown by Musa who before was overthrown by Isa who was killed by Mehmet supporters.

During the Ottoman Interregum the House of Osman was split between four sons fighting for control and dominance. Through this period the main divisions of the Ottoman lands had a fairly consistent Rumelia/Balkans and Anatolia split. It also had the Byzantines, Serbs, and other Beyliks joining the fight supporting sons of Bayezid (who was killed fighting Timur).

At one point, the son Musa after being defeated and bidding his time successfully launches a coup that kills his brother Sulemayn on the Rumelia side. Showing anger at the Byzantines for supporting his brother, Musa attacks Constantinople which leads Manuel to throw his support behind Mehmet on the Anatolia side an help him bring over an army and kill Musa (in a battle which almost went in Musa's favor I might add).

What if instead Musa allies with the Byzantines, but instead of finding victory over each other their fighting (influenced by the Byzantines) fails to conclude in a desisive victory. Leading to two seperate political entities to grow apart. Importantly I am interested in any sort of cultural changes such as one of the two becoming more Islamic or more European or etc.

Basically, I want to see if two Turkish states could emerge and not be wiped out or merge. This might lead to a greater Islamization of the Balkans population or even no Vienna invasion or even the Byzantines surviving longer if they can play off the two sides.
 
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The only thing that matched this kind of brutal conflict was the Mongols' civil war over the succession. I can also say the same thing with regards to the Timurids.
 
With this kind of interregnum, could it be possible for the Balkans to avoid becoming part of the Ottoman Empire? Or would the Turks only be able to hold on to Bulgaria, parts of Greece and Albania while the Timurids would turn them into vassals? I'm just wondering if the Timurids could replace the Turks as the dominant power, although this would either require a more stable line of succession on the Timurids' part or it would take a miracle for someone to convince Timur that Anatolia is the future, not China.
 
I don't think the Timurids are gonna replace the Turks as the dominate power, simply because, of succession, and Timur's mindset of being a descendant of Genghis Khan. What would stop the European powers from viewing the Timurids as just a replacement for the Ottomans. If the Balkans are independent of the Ottomans, wouldn't they have to worry about the Hungarians possibly trying to expand thier influence or even each other. Could We possibly have a Byzantine Empire holding on to at least Greece, by vassals and what few lands they could gain back?
 
Anatolia is definitely lost, but the Byzantine Empire could at least hold on to Greece, southern Bulgaria and a couple of islands. Another thing I need to figure out is which Balkan power other than the Byzantines or Hungary would be suitable to maintain the balance of power? Could we have another Turkic power besides the Ottomans coming to power in Anatolia though? Either the White Sheep or the Black Sheep Turks. Heck, why not have the Safavid tribe shift westwards? For all we know, we haven't seen a TL where Anatolia becomes a Shia dominated territory.
 
Anatolia is definitely lost, but the Byzantine Empire could at least hold on to Greece, southern Bulgaria and a couple of islands. Another thing I need to figure out is which Balkan power other than the Byzantines or Hungary would be suitable to maintain the balance of power? Could we have another Turkic power besides the Ottomans coming to power in Anatolia though? Either the White Sheep or the Black Sheep Turks. Heck, why not have the Safavid tribe shift westwards? For all we know, we haven't seen a TL where Anatolia becomes a Shia dominated territory.

Actually I think the best candidate for the successor to the Ottomans as "lead turkish state" would be the Karaminids.
 
Karamanids? They did exist even when the Ottomans rose to power. A Karamanid Empire would actually be interesting, and they'd only focus on the Middle East. Leaving the Balkans free from Ottoman incursions, though it would be a contested ground between Bulgaria, Hungary, the Byzantine Empire and Serbia. As to how can the Karamanids conquer the Ottoman Empire and possibly expand elsewhere?
 
Karamanids? They did exist even when the Ottomans rose to power. A Karamanid Empire would actually be interesting, and they'd only focus on the Middle East. Leaving the Balkans free from Ottoman incursions, though it would be a contested ground between Bulgaria, Hungary, the Byzantine Empire and Serbia. As to how can the Karamanids conquer the Ottoman Empire and possibly expand elsewhere?

Probably by relentlessly copying their military advancements, the Ottomans had the best military in the world when they entered the interregnum and if the Karamanids took the idea and ran with it too (not too tough an idea, slave armies had been common for a long time before the Ottomans really revolutionized their use) they could well end up being the ones to exile the house of Osman from anatolia. Even if they dont take up Ottoman military reforms they are also still a pretty major force to be reckoned with in Anatolia.
 
Not to mention that the Karamanids used the Star of David on their flags, which could mean that the Karamnids can become an empire of three faiths. Alternatively, they could even destroy the House of Osman simply by having the entire family killed. I'm also wondering if it would be possible for the Karamanids to actually conquer Persia as well. Of course, this is after Timur dies.
 
The seal of Solomon is on their flag not the Star of David. The Karamanids existed during the Ottoman Empires rise and along with several of the beyliks such as Aydin,Saruhan,and Candar that broke away when Beyazid was captured.
 
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