Ottoman Empire in the New World

Not possible at all: Granada wasn't in good terms with any other Muslim nation at the time, that was the reason why the Castilleans were able to conquer Granada. And here's the main question: why would the Ottomans spend such vast resources trying to reach the New World if they wanted to conquer Europe in the first place?

Of course not... if they're not close enough.... But I see no reason why the Ottomans would simply say "DO NOT WANT" to the Granadan plead for help after they're close enough(that means that they've already conquered Italy). Besides, dominating Med Sea from an end to another does seem to me as would be interesting enough for the Ottomans. Yeah, they won't be showing much interest to try to colonizing the New World.... it's just that they Granadan vassal probably would, and after things across the ocean have developed tempting enough amount of money the Ottomans will going to want some share of it. If you want to make the Ottomans actually having a large-scale possession in the New World you have going to change the nature of the empire......

....which actually is certainly doable ;), in the long term at least....
 
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Even more, slaves wehre imported from Africa because Native Americans could not survive the harsh treatment in the colonies so sooner or later the same pattern woudl have emerged with or without Muslim colonization of the New World.

It seems to have passed you that the muslim colonization in this case would have lesser population base to send out settlers there, compared to the Christian ones IOTL.... And also it'd be based on lesser exploration zeal compared to the one done by the Spanish IOTL, because the Granadan muslims already aware there was something there(actually, everyone already kinda knew it).... Instead it'd be mostly originated by intentions to search for new commodities and trading partners.... That's why that everyone here came with the consensus that muslim colonialism will going to develop slower compared to the European ones ITTL. It's just that all these things would have to preceded by the fall of Rome into Ottomans' hand, so that ITTL Europe in general would have to get through more amount of stirring before they're finally ready to go to the New World..... most likely discounting the Portuguese though, but it seems that they'll be most probably focusing on South Americas like they did historically IOTL, and also more concerned to search the route to the Orient eastward.

Well, some natives will be wiped out for sure, due to the disease, but certainly it'll be less so because there will be less impetus, if any, from the muslims to use deliberate tactics of spreading the disease in order to prevail over the natives, whenever the need to do so arise. IIRC someone in this thread said that the usage of slavery ITTL will be more efficient because a number of factors, and more surviving natives is to be among them....
 
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Not possible at all: Granada wasn't in good terms with any other Muslim nation at the time, that was the reason why the Castilleans were able to conquer Granada. And here's the main question: why would the Ottomans spend such vast resources trying to reach the New World if they wanted to conquer Europe in the first place?

Obviously, America isn't going to be on the agenda of the Ottomans before they take Granada. With Italy in their hands, they might get a plea for military aid from the Emir of Granada, and the Ottomans see this as an opportunity to establish a base of operations in the western Mediterranean, and exert some control over the sea-lanes between North Africa and wesern Europe. Granada would have to accept becoming a vassal of the Ottoman Empire.
 
Rebound my curiosity ahead.... :

So Europe ITTL will be relgiously even splintered worse than OTL ? No wonder most of them will arrive in the Americas much later.

By the way, I would wonder that European Christendom will be the only one which will be effected relgiously by the Ottoman conquest of Rome. For from where I see it, Ottoman conquest can only be happening before these two things below happening :
- The rise of the Shia Safavids in Persia.
- Ottoman conquest of Egypt, which IOTL gave the Ottomans the title of Caliph, seized from the Mamluk's puppet Abbasid Caliph.
While the former I think will be going similarly like IOTL, I wonder about the later, which primarily was caused by Portuguese adventure in Indian Ocean IOTL. ITTL Portugal will be just almost the next to an Ottoman vassal, so will that be still happening ITTL? Besides, even if Safavid conquest of Persia will be happening just like OTL, I wonder how would the Ottomans, now having more sources spent in the west, react to it. Wonder if the Ottomans of TTL will ever be drifting into Sunni Orthodoxy and be able to claim the title of Caliph....
 
The splintering of Christian Europe might not be an entirely bad thing. Wouldn't the Hapsburgs not benefit from creating their own Church? Would not having their "own" Pontiff on a leash in some way help to centralize authority in the Holy Roman Empire?
 
The splintering of Christian Europe might not be an entirely bad thing. Wouldn't the Hapsburgs not benefit from creating their own Church? Would not having their "own" Pontiff on a leash in some way help to centralize authority in the Holy Roman Empire?

Well, yes there's a certain possibility of that as well, but I wonder that ITTL there wil still be North-South split in HRE though....

P-L-C I think would also bound to have their own church as well. Historically they would do everything so that they won't be under German toes....
 
Well, yes there's a certain possibility of that as well, but I wonder that ITTL there wil still be North-South split in HRE though....

P-L-C I think would also bound to have their own church as well. Historically they would do everything so that they won't be under German toes....

I was thinking that the only Catholics whom would recognize the Ottoman-sponsored Popes in Rome would be most Italians. While Germans, English, French, and Portuguese would be spearheading the initiative to nationalize of their Churches. The Hapsburg Emperors could use this as a tool of centralization among the German states. The Kings of France and England might see the benefit of becoming heads of their country's religion, and the Portuguese could re-invent the Papacy in Iberia to attempt some sort of consolidation of authority among the Christian states, whilst the Granadans are benefitting from Ottoman military protection.
 
I was thinking that the only Catholics whom would recognize the Ottoman-sponsored Popes in Rome would be most Italians. While Germans, English, French, and Portuguese would be spearheading the initiative to nationalize of their Churches. The Hapsburg Emperors could use this as a tool of centralization among the German states. The Kings of France and England might see the benefit of becoming heads of their country's religion, and the Portuguese could re-invent the Papacy in Iberia to attempt some sort of consolidation of authority among the Christian states, whilst the Granadans are benefitting from Ottoman military protection.

How about the Castilians and Aragonese ? I'm not sure that they would follow the Portuguese Popes.....

Also, how about the Scandinavians and Eastern Europe ?
 
How about the Castilians and Aragonese ? I'm not sure that they would follow the Portuguese Popes.....

Also, how about the Scandinavians and Eastern Europe ?

If the Castilians and Aragonese are being beset by the armies of the Ottoman-Grandans, I would have thought that Portugal might be the most powerful and well-defended of the Christian states in Iberia. If they become the first European colonial empire, this might increase their status among their peers.

I have no doubt that other northern and eastern European states would follow the trend being set by the Germans, French, and English. Some, however, may try to replicate Papacy, with others doing a Henry VIII.

I think the new Papacies might be re-invented in Iberia and Poland, while monarchs of Denmark, England, Scotland, and France would probably prefer to become the heads of the Church within their respective countries. The Holy Roman Emperors are a bit harder to predict.
 
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