I've been wondering what would be the fate of the Ottoman Empire in late CP victory where France falls in 1917 and Britain is pretty much forced to make peace with Germany?
Would Britain be obliged to make peace with the Ottomans?
No, actually not. Though the Ottoman state has been weakened by the war, it has not been weakened terminally. The Ottomans will likely make a few gains (places like Egypt are off the cards, but many of the Gulf states, Aden and Kars will be theirs) so that will placate the people to some degree. The Ottomans will probably attempt to abolish the capitulations (at least for the allies) in the peace treaty, so that will resolve a number of their economic problems, as will the arrival of oil in the economic picture.They are going to disintegrate: the state is weakened from the wars and from the ethnic tensions already arisen.
Overall, the future is fairly bright, although they have to deal with the temporary effects of war exhauston, and there are still economic problems (and maybe the Russian problem) on the horizon, but the Ottomans are in a better state to deal with.
The "Arab Revolt" under Sharif Hussian, if it wasn't defeated in the war will be crushed within a matter of months, with no other fronts drawing Ottoman military resources, and few Arabs outside of the Hijaz (and indeed, few enough inside the cities of the Hijaz) are likely to mourn the defeat of Hussain, and as long as the Ottoman Empire continues to stress its position as the main independent Muslim state (as Egypt may have very well become independent) and caliphate, fellow Muslims will not present a huge problem to the Empire.
Whitout even a change of government? italy, a single ethny and single religious state, had fascism even if winning.
Italy had been (at least in the eyes of its nationalists) humiliated in the treaties, not getting what they had been promised by the allies before entering the war, despite the huge losses suffered by the Italians in the war, and the fact that the Italians had beaten Austria-Hungary pretty badly in the end. This unresolved irredentism, along with the ineffectual rule of the governments of liberal Italy created the conditions that persuaded the king to just embrace the fascists, rather then just shoot them all which wouldn't actually have been all too difficult.Whitout even a change of government? italy, a single ethny and single religious state, had fascism even if winning.
Now this is very interesting. I think I remember reading something similar, but my memory is fuzzy and I can't remember what the Turkish reaction would have been. On one hand, it would make restoring order to Arabia much easily, but on the other hand, he stabbed them in the back, and may do so again in the future.Istr reading some years ago (possibly in the Times) that documents had been discovered showing that Hussein was in correspondence wirth Constantinople almost to the end of the war, keeping his options open to defect back to the Turkish side in the event of a CP victory.
It could do fairly easily, as long as they didn't undertake actions grossly offensive to the Arab population, which is highly unlikely. Indeed, most of their gains will be made in the Arab world in the event of a victory.Enver Pasha may well fall at some point, but that's not at all the same thing as the Empire collapsing.
After all, a Turkey utterly defeated in war was still able to see off the Greeks and Armenians. A victorious one might well have been able to retain the Arab lands as well.
Kars, probably, yes...The Ottomans will likely make a few gains (places like Egypt are off the cards, but many of the Gulf states, Aden and Kars will be theirs)
They are going to disintegrate: the state is weakened from the wars and from the ethnic tensions already arisen.