OTL Map Thread Mk IV., 2014-

Which name for Occitan?

Occitan (and its dialects) isn't spoken by many people in France anymore, and many of its remaining speakers are old and do not recognise their mother tongue as being Occitan first of all.

This map, based on a number of surveys done over the past 20 years, depicts the relative popularity of Occitan compared to 'Patois' (meaning dialect, vernacular, a word with usually mild negative connotations in France, but not everywhere, like in the Antilles) as well as the other main names used by the locals and the occitanophone to name their local language, as every studies show a widespread agreement on the name "Occitan" for the group of languages spoken in southern France.

Patois is usually slightly prefered by older persons and by native speakers across most regions. As one can see Occitan is usually prefered within the borders of historical Languedoc; In Creuse, Creusois is more popular than Occitan.

LANGUE OCCITANE :ÉTAT DES LIEUX 2020, the most recent region-wide study on occitan in Occitanie and Nouvelle-Aquitaine
complemented with
PERCEPTIONS DE LA LANGUE OCCITANE (2008, Aquitaine and 2010, Midi-Pyrenées)

Le volet linguistique du recensement français de 1999 résultats et analyse appliqués à la Provence plurilingue et au provençal; 2003, based on the widest study of occitan.
Francoprovençal et occitan en Rhône-Alpes, 2009
présence, les pratiques et la perception de la langue béarnaise / gasconne / occitane sur le territoire des Pyrénées‐Atlantiques; 2018, specifically about Bearn
Le dialecte niçois : usage consacré et parler de la rue, 2014
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Ever tried looking up those territories in western Tibet that are still claimed by Bhutan? The so-called "Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet" are discussed in this article, which details the Bhutanese position that these Drukpa monasteries and villages (in the midst of Gelugpa Tibet) were - and are - sovereign Bhutanese territory. They are clustered around Mount Kailash (Cherkip Gompa, Darchen, Nyanri, Zuthulpuk Gompa) and along the main pilgrimage routes to the holy mountain (Dho (Dhogang), Dungmar, Gezon, Khochar (Khojarnath), Ringung, etc.)
They are really difficult to find, but the below map (NH 44-7, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - Map Service) displays seven of them, with another exclave of Bhutan (Nyanri) literally just off the top of the map.


The only ones I still haven't found are Gesur, Itse (or Iti) Gompa, Sanmar (or Sanmur) which I believe are all in regions north of Uttarakhand.

Note: Ladakh, which was also a Drukpa Buddhist state, likewise had a similar exclave, Minsar. The settlement of Minsar was - after Ladakh's union with Jammu & Kashmir - part of that state. This means this tiny Kashmiri settlement, in the middle of mountainous Tibet, is currently disputed territory between India, Pakistan, the People's Republic of China, the Republic of China (Taiwan) and the Tibetan gov't-in-exile. This makes it one of the most thoroughly disputed territories on Earth.
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A question, I am trying to find a detailed map of all administrative divisions of Apartheid South Africa, but I was unable to find them (only for South West Africa/Namibia), so for my large map I am simply using modern-day subdivisions but with only the four provinces highlighted as first-level divisions.

However, is this electoral map showing the second-level administrative subdivisions of Apartheid South Africa, or is it just an electoral map? do not even get start with trying to find maps of the internal subdivisions of the Bantustans, these seem to be the hardest of them all to find

Don't know if you still need this but i think this might be what you were looking for
Also some higher resolution maps of districsts in 1911, 1961 and 1991 here at this link too


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