OTL Map Thread Mk IV., 2014-

Opunium

Opunium

These two links are very important too:
Pre 1900:
http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/resources/pre1900mapdump

Post 1900:
http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/resources/post_1900_w

Lascupa0788 said:
-- Mind, I can't help feeling this won't work considering the sheer time we've been debating it.
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If manage to get the ancient versions off the main page it would really help, especially for new people. They dont know which map is the best and newest version to use. They dont know about the wiki either.
 
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Lascupa0788

Stop. The two links posted there are included within my singular link, and my singular link also includes things much further updated. Additionally, even better maps are present in the 550BC through modern day thread. Posting the worst of three sets is completely pointless.
 
Opunium

Opunium

oofo said:
I don't think this thread is necessary, since you can just go on to the wiki or to one of the other OTL map threads, but here is where the most up-to-date basemaps are.

http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/resources/otl_map_database

The worlda maps here are all the most up to date versions
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Newbies dont know about the wiki and are not going to search in a 200 page thread for the 'most up to date basemaps'. They open the thread and see basemaps from 2007, and they use those, why? Because they are on the first page. That's why we need a new thread.
 
Alex Richards

Alex Richards

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Opunium said:
Newbies dont know about the wiki and are not going to search in a 200 page thread for the 'most up to date basemaps'. They open the thread and see basemaps from 2007, and they use those, why? Because they are on the first page. That's why we need a new thread.
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Which is why, IMHO, we simply need a short stickied stub informing people of the wiki Hubs (Base Map and OTL Map) and then desticky some of the current threads rather than having yet another one up here.

We did in fact discuss doing a new basemap thread a while back, and came to the conclusion that based on how frequently we're applying patches (In the process of doing a map of 1885 for example I've essentially redrawn the entre South Pacific) the maps at the start of the thread would very quickly become very outdated. Hence we use the basemap thread for discussion and post finished work on the wiki.

So no, posting all those maps from the wiki in this thread is not very helpful at all because you just perpetuate the issue rather than solving it.
 
Opunium

Opunium

Alex Richards said:
Which is why, IMHO, we simply need a short stickied stub informing people of the wiki Hubs (Base Map and OTL Map) and then desticky some of the current threads rather than having yet another one up here.

We did in fact discuss doing a new basemap thread a while back, and came to the conclusion that based on how frequently we're applying patches (In the process of doing a map of 1885 for example I've essentially redrawn the entre South Pacific) the maps at the start of the thread would very quickly become very outdated. Hence we use the basemap thread for discussion and post finished work on the wiki.

So no, posting all those maps from the wiki in this thread is not very helpful at all because you just perpetuate the issue rather than solving it.
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Which is why I am not following Partypiratists his orders.

So why is there no stickied 'map wiki hub' on this page and why are the old, super ancient outdated threads still stickied? What's stopping it? At there should be moderator able to unsticky all those uneeded threads.
 
Transparent Blue

Transparent Blue

Yes I think the wiki is more suited to stand as a centralized hub for all graphics resources (not just maps, also tutorials and links) and stickied forum threads need to reflect this. Threads are very bad for finding specific items.
 
Alex Richards

Alex Richards

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Opunium said:
Which is why I am not following Partypiratists his orders.

So why is there no stickied 'map wiki hub' on this page and why are the old, super ancient outdated threads still stickied? What's stopping it? At there should be moderator able to unsticky all those uneeded threads.
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It's a one-step thing though not a two-step. There's no value to unstickying the current depositories before we've got the replacement system ready to step in immediately. Partially it's because the discussion on that got buried beneath discussion on map creation. Partially there was a desire to have the wiki better organised and updated first (which it now is but I'm pretty sure wasn't at the time). Partially it's because there wasn't agreement on how to reorganise the stickies (I think it was before the BaM/MaG split as well which lessened the situation somewhat for a while) in the wider community though those of us actually working on the basemaps had already reached agreement on the futility of a new thread. Personally I also think that the stub thread should be posted by a mod and then locked (like the thread on Evolutionary/Geological PoDs in pre 1900) rather than created by someone else and stickied.
 
Opunium

Opunium

Alex Richards said:
It's a one-step thing though not a two-step. There's no value to unstickying the current depositories before we've got the replacement system ready to step in immediately. Partially it's because the discussion on that got buried beneath discussion on map creation. Partially there was a desire to have the wiki better organised and updated first (which it now is but I'm pretty sure wasn't at the time). Partially it's because there wasn't agreement on how to reorganise the stickies (I think it was before the BaM/MaG split as well which lessened the situation somewhat for a while) in the wider community though those of us actually working on the basemaps had already reached agreement on the futility of a new thread. Personally I also think that the stub thread should be posted by a mod and then locked (like the thread on Evolutionary/Geological PoDs in pre 1900) rather than created by someone else and stickied.
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Any chance there is a mod following this thread? ;)
 

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Opunium said:
Any chance there is a mod following this thread? ;)
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Actually since there has been a report there is now.

I agree that there are way too many threads stickied. Problem is that all seem to have purpose.

Be glad to unstick all of them if they are causing discord.

Life's too short & all that.
 

Pragmatic Progressive

CalBear said:
Actually since there has been a report there is now.

I agree that there are way too many threads stickied. Problem is that all seem to have purpose.

Be glad to unstick all of them if they are causing discord.

Life's too short & all that.
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Hereby, I formally request unstickying the following threads in the Maps and Graphics forum:

All the OTL Maps from 500 CE to 2007
Map Series Thread
A Blank Map Thread
Base Maps from 550 CE to 2007, all in UCS

which will all be replaced by this thread, and another Blank Map Thread. However, these two will only serve for discussion and the finished works will be updated on the Wiki, to which newbies (and some "oldies) must be convienently redirected.

The Map Series will now go in the regular Map Thread.

Unstick any other thread at your discretion...

Can you do all this formally, with the tools and power of moderation?
 
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Alex Richards

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PiratePartyist said:
Hereby, I formally request unstickying the following threads in the Maps and Graphics forum:

All the OTL Maps from 500 CE to 2007
Map Series Thread
A Blank Map Thread
Base Maps from 550 CE to 2007, all in UCS

which will all be replaced by this thread, and another Blank Map Thread. However, these two will only serve for discussion and the finished works will be updated on the Wiki, to which newbies (and some "oldies) must be convienently redirected.

The Map Series will now go in the regular Map Thread.

Unstick any other thread at your discretion...

Can you do all this formally, with the tools and power of moderation?
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No. This thread serves no real purpose, and new threads simply perpetuates the current problems rather than giving an actual solution. They should be replaced with a single stub thread containing links to the wiki's Blank Map Directory, Revised Worlda Database and the Resources Hub. Links to those threads can also be put in with emphasis on the fact that they are discussion threads (you could add the QBAM work updating thread as well). Except the Map Series thread, that's got absolutely nothing to do with this at all.

We do not need new discussion threads if these aren't stickied at the top of the page, and causing abrupt breaks in the ongoing discussion from the current basemap workthread is not a good idea either.
 

Reagent

I think the OP should be edited to include this (and every few months or so, we can compile the changes, and ask for the OP to be updated), or should we just make a new basemap thread with this as the OP (to avoid the clutter ?

Blank Basemap
Present Day
Ancient Blank Basemap Patch

Prehistory
Miocene Epoch (23-5 Million Years ago)
Last Ice Age
50,000 BCE

Dawn of History to the Fall of Rome (before 475 AD)
1450 BC
1350 BC
1300 BC
610 BC
600 BC
550 BC
500 BC
335 BC
323 BC
250 BC
200 BC
44 BC
1 AD
450 AD
475 AD

Fall of Rome to First Voyage of Christopher Columbus (476 AD to 1492 AD)
565 AD
600 AD
632
635
700 AD
800 AD
28 January 814 AD
900 AD
1000 AD
1030 AD
1066 AD
1100 AD
24 July 1115 AD
1200 AD
1300 AD
1328 AD
1400 AD
1492 AD

First Voyage of Columbus to Storming of the Bastille (1492 AD - 1789 AD)
1500 AD
1560 AD
1600 AD
1618 AD
1650 AD
1700 AD
1750 AD
1770 AD
1789 AD

Storming of the Bastille to Battle of Waterloo (1789 AD - 1815 AD)
1793 AD
1800 AD
1801 AD
1802 AD
1803 AD
1804 AD
1805 AD
1806 AD
1807 AD
1808 AD
1809 AD
1810 AD
1811 AD
1812 AD
1813 AD
1814 AD

Battle of Waterloo to Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (1815 AD - 1914 AD)
1815 AD
1816 AD
1825 AD
1830 AD
1837 AD
1838 AD
1848 AD
1850 AD
1860 AD
1861 AD
1865 AD
1870 AD
1871 AD
1877 AD
1885 AD (Work in Progress)
1890 AD
1900 AD
1910 AD

First World War (1914 AD - 1918 AD)
1914 AD
1915 AD
1916 AD
1917 AD
11 November 1918 AD

Interwar Period (1919 AD - 1939 AD)
1919 AD
1925 AD
1930 AD
1932 AD
February 1939 AD

World War II (1939 AD - 1945 AD)
1 September 1939 AD
9 April 1940
22 June 1940
22 June 1941
7 December 1941
November 1942
July 1943
5 June 1944
January 1945
August 1945
2 September 1945

Cold War (1945 AD - 1991 AD)

19481950 AD
1955 AD
1960 AD
1965 AD
1970 AD
1975 AD
1980 AD
1985 AD
1989 AD
1990 AD
1991 AD

End of History (1992 - Present Day)
1992 AD
1993 AD
1994 AD
1995 AD
1996 AD
1997 AD
1998 AD
1999 AD
2000 AD
September 11 2001 AD
2002 AD
2003 AD
2004 AD
2005 AD
2006 AD
2007 AD
2008 AD
2009 AD
2010 AD
June 2011 AD
August 2011 AD
September 2011 AD
2012 AD
2013 AD
July 1 2014 AD

Various Regional Patches
Early Chinese Dynasties
Byzantine Empire
Byzantine Empire 2
Carolingian Empire 843
Aztec Empire
Inca Empire 1533
African States
United States State Cessions
United States Territorial Development 1789 -1819
United States Territorial Development 1820 - 1861
United States Territorial Development 1861 - 1864
United States Territorial Development 1865 - Present
Mexico Territorial Development 1821 -1848
Mexico Territorial Development 1848 - Present
Canada Territorial Development
Australia Territorial Development
Modern Persia Territorial Development
Ecuador-Peru-Colombia-Brazil Territorial Development
Modern China Border Changes
Eastern Africa
French West Africa
Morocco timeline
Yemen timeline
Suez War
Ogaden War
 
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