Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Red Arturoist, Jun 29, 2014.
Here, from now onwards, all OTL basemaps go. Be they UCS, TACOS, or any other crative colour scheme.
Most Recent Iorite version of the 2014 Basemap:
Partially updated Wiki links: http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/resources/new_revised_basemap_series
-- Mind, I can't help feeling this won't work considering the sheer time we've been debating it.
These two links are very important too:
If manage to get the ancient versions off the main page it would really help, especially for new people. They dont know which map is the best and newest version to use. They dont know about the wiki either.
Opunium, could you post all the maps from the two links in the thread itself?
Stop. The two links posted there are included within my singular link, and my singular link also includes things much further updated. Additionally, even better maps are present in the 550BC through modern day thread. Posting the worst of three sets is completely pointless.
Of course. I also wanted the best basemaps here, not the worst. Sorry if it seemed like that, I apologise...
I don't think this thread is necessary, since you can just go on to the wiki or to one of the other OTL map threads, but here is where the most up-to-date basemaps are.
The worlda maps here are all the most up to date versions
Newbies dont know about the wiki and are not going to search in a 200 page thread for the 'most up to date basemaps'. They open the thread and see basemaps from 2007, and they use those, why? Because they are on the first page. That's why we need a new thread.
Which is why, IMHO, we simply need a short stickied stub informing people of the wiki Hubs (Base Map and OTL Map) and then desticky some of the current threads rather than having yet another one up here.
We did in fact discuss doing a new basemap thread a while back, and came to the conclusion that based on how frequently we're applying patches (In the process of doing a map of 1885 for example I've essentially redrawn the entre South Pacific) the maps at the start of the thread would very quickly become very outdated. Hence we use the basemap thread for discussion and post finished work on the wiki.
So no, posting all those maps from the wiki in this thread is not very helpful at all because you just perpetuate the issue rather than solving it.
Which is why I am not following Partypiratists his orders.
So why is there no stickied 'map wiki hub' on this page and why are the old, super ancient outdated threads still stickied? What's stopping it? At there should be moderator able to unsticky all those uneeded threads.
Yes I think the wiki is more suited to stand as a centralized hub for all graphics resources (not just maps, also tutorials and links) and stickied forum threads need to reflect this. Threads are very bad for finding specific items.
It's a one-step thing though not a two-step. There's no value to unstickying the current depositories before we've got the replacement system ready to step in immediately. Partially it's because the discussion on that got buried beneath discussion on map creation. Partially there was a desire to have the wiki better organised and updated first (which it now is but I'm pretty sure wasn't at the time). Partially it's because there wasn't agreement on how to reorganise the stickies (I think it was before the BaM/MaG split as well which lessened the situation somewhat for a while) in the wider community though those of us actually working on the basemaps had already reached agreement on the futility of a new thread. Personally I also think that the stub thread should be posted by a mod and then locked (like the thread on Evolutionary/Geological PoDs in pre 1900) rather than created by someone else and stickied.
Any chance there is a mod following this thread?
Actually since there has been a report there is now.
I agree that there are way too many threads stickied. Problem is that all seem to have purpose.
Be glad to unstick all of them if they are causing discord.
Life's too short & all that.
Hereby, I formally request unstickying the following threads in the Maps and Graphics forum:
All the OTL Maps from 500 CE to 2007
Map Series Thread
A Blank Map Thread
Base Maps from 550 CE to 2007, all in UCS
which will all be replaced by this thread, and another Blank Map Thread. However, these two will only serve for discussion and the finished works will be updated on the Wiki, to which newbies (and some "oldies) must be convienently redirected.
The Map Series will now go in the regular Map Thread.
Unstick any other thread at your discretion...
Can you do all this formally, with the tools and power of moderation?
No. This thread serves no real purpose, and new threads simply perpetuates the current problems rather than giving an actual solution. They should be replaced with a single stub thread containing links to the wiki's Blank Map Directory, Revised Worlda Database and the Resources Hub. Links to those threads can also be put in with emphasis on the fact that they are discussion threads (you could add the QBAM work updating thread as well). Except the Map Series thread, that's got absolutely nothing to do with this at all.
We do not need new discussion threads if these aren't stickied at the top of the page, and causing abrupt breaks in the ongoing discussion from the current basemap workthread is not a good idea either.
I am getting the impression that the best thing to do here is unstick everything.
Frankly this thread should as well. It's already become a discussion on stickying policy anyway.
I think the OP should be edited to include this (and every few months or so, we can compile the changes, and ask for the OP to be updated), or should we just make a new basemap thread with this as the OP (to avoid the clutter ?
Ancient Blank Basemap Patch
Miocene Epoch (23-5 Million Years ago)
Last Ice Age
Dawn of History to the Fall of Rome (before 475 AD)
Fall of Rome to First Voyage of Christopher Columbus (476 AD to 1492 AD)
28 January 814 AD
24 July 1115 AD
First Voyage of Columbus to Storming of the Bastille (1492 AD - 1789 AD)
Storming of the Bastille to Battle of Waterloo (1789 AD - 1815 AD)
Battle of Waterloo to Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (1815 AD - 1914 AD)
1885 AD (Work in Progress)
First World War (1914 AD - 1918 AD)
11 November 1918 AD
Interwar Period (1919 AD - 1939 AD)
February 1939 AD
World War II (1939 AD - 1945 AD)
1 September 1939 AD
9 April 1940
22 June 1940
22 June 1941
7 December 1941
5 June 1944
2 September 1945
Cold War (1945 AD - 1991 AD)
End of History (1992 - Present Day)
September 11 2001 AD
June 2011 AD
August 2011 AD
September 2011 AD
July 1 2014 AD
Various Regional Patches
Early Chinese Dynasties
Byzantine Empire 2
Carolingian Empire 843
Inca Empire 1533
United States State Cessions
United States Territorial Development 1789 -1819
United States Territorial Development 1820 - 1861
United States Territorial Development 1861 - 1864
United States Territorial Development 1865 - Present
Mexico Territorial Development 1821 -1848
Mexico Territorial Development 1848 - Present
Canada Territorial Development
Australia Territorial Development
Modern Persia Territorial Development
Ecuador-Peru-Colombia-Brazil Territorial Development
Modern China Border Changes
French West Africa
Just out of curiosity, how come India's colour has been changed?
Separate names with a comma.