OTL Election maps resources thread

Utgard96 · Mar 20, 2017

Thande said:
It's not that comparable because the Lib Dems have never had a 'safe voter bloc' they can rely on, which I assume the PvdA formerly did given their history similar to Labour or the SPD. A collapse of a (once) class based party like that is more noteworthy in my opinion.

Before the war, when they were the SDAP, they were one of the four pillars of Dutch society (the others being the Catholic Church, the Reformed Churches and the liberal/"general" pillar of business and intellectual interests). Party officials used to boast that their voters put "SDAP" down as their religion on census forms. The only other times since the First World War that they'd polled less than 20% before this were in 1918, 2002 and 2010.

Alex Richards · Mar 20, 2017

Utgard96 said:
Before the war, when they were the SDAP, they were one of the four pillars of Dutch society (the others being the Catholic Church, the Reformed Churches and the liberal/"general" pillar of business and intellectual interests). Party officials used to boast that their voters put "SDAP" down as their religion on census forms. The only other times since the First World War that they'd polled less than 20% before this were in 1918, 2002 and 2010.

And now there's only 5 municipalities in the whole country where the managed to get over 10% of the vote...

Thande · Mar 20, 2017

Utgard96 said:
Before the war, when they were the SDAP, they were one of the four pillars of Dutch society (the others being the Catholic Church, the Reformed Churches and the liberal/"general" pillar of business and intellectual interests). Party officials used to boast that their voters put "SDAP" down as their religion on census forms. The only other times since the First World War that they'd polled less than 20% before this were in 1918, 2002 and 2010.

Thought so. Of course pillarisation makes it even more stark, as you say.

I wasn't aware "PvdA" was a postwar rebrand, a party name that explicitly mentions 'workers' sounds to English ears like either a major party with a name left over from the late 19th century, or a minor irrelevant Marxist group.

Nanwe · Mar 20, 2017

Thande said:
Thought so. Of course pillarisation makes it even more stark, as you say.

I wasn't aware "PvdA" was a postwar rebrand, a party name that explicitly mentions 'workers' sounds to English ears like either a major party with a name left over from the late 19th century, or a minor irrelevant Marxist group.

Idk why but the Belgian parties also did the same after WWII. The Belgian Worker's Party (Parti Ouvrièr Belge, POB) became the Belgian Socialist Party (BSP-PSB).

ajross · Mar 20, 2017

Thande said:
Thought so. Of course pillarisation makes it even more stark, as you say.

I wasn't aware "PvdA" was a postwar rebrand, a party name that explicitly mentions 'workers' sounds to English ears like either a major party with a name left over from the late 19th century, or a minor irrelevant Marxist group.

It was pretty explicitly modelled on Labour in fact which the name also translates as - the idea being to break the pillar system by a (wait shit I've just realised what I'm about to say) PROGRESSIVE ALLIANCE that included the left-of-centre middle class. This, to the surprise of Surely Literally No-one, came to zero.

Utgard96 · Mar 20, 2017

Thande said:
Thought so. Of course pillarisation makes it even more stark, as you say.

I wasn't aware "PvdA" was a postwar rebrand, a party name that explicitly mentions 'workers' sounds to English ears like either a major party with a name left over from the late 19th century, or a minor irrelevant Marxist group.

Good that their name doesn't then - PvdA stands for Partij van de Arbeid, or Party of Labour in English. As for why they chose that name, well…

Heat · Mar 21, 2017

Utgard96 said:
Good that their name doesn't then - PvdA stands for Partij van de Arbeid, or Party of Labour in English. As for why they chose that name, well…

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Well, I'm never complaining about Razem ripping off Podemos again.

Thande · Mar 21, 2017

I'm finally in a position to begin posting those London maps I've mentioned before and here is an example.

Before I go on, I'd like to get opinions, especially from our London-based members ( @Meadow @Lord Roem @Comisario @TheDarkMessiah @Gregg @Julius Vogel and any others I've forgotten) - do you think this looks better with thicker lines on the main map to delineate the boroughs or without?

(Thanks also to Alex for making these basemaps MANY MOONS AGO)

Meadow · Mar 21, 2017

Thande said:
I'm finally in a position to begin posting those London maps I've mentioned before and here is an example.

Before I go on, I'd like to get opinions, especially from our London-based members ( @Meadow @Lord Roem @Comisario @TheDarkMessiah @Gregg @Julius Vogel and any others I've forgotten) - do you think this looks better with thicker lines on the main map to delineate the boroughs or without?

Great, great work. I prefer the borough lines, is there a reason they can't be in white or maybe have a white stripe going through them? To make it clearer.

Utgard96 · Mar 21, 2017

I like how you can sort of link together the Labour vote into two big areas which the Tory vote sort of snakes around. I dread to think what gerrymandered London might look like …

Utgard96 · Mar 21, 2017

Meadow said:
Great, great work. I prefer the borough lines, is there a reason they can't be in white or maybe have a white stripe going through them? To make it clearer.

Well naturally you of all people would VICIOUSLY ATTACK the house style I established.

Meadow · Mar 21, 2017

Utgard96 said:
Well naturally you of all people would VICIOUSLY ATTACK the house style I established.

Leave the beef in the thread, Max.

max

Thande · Mar 21, 2017

I think those thick lines were too thick so I did a thinner version.

Adding it to @Meadow 's white core for London idea (phrases to take out of context...) gives us this. What do you think?

Nanwe · Mar 21, 2017

That looks really good, especially as the white lines facilitate seeing boundaries better in case of areas with very large majorities.

I'm not a Londoner, but I did live there so I hope I'm allowed to give my opinion

Alex Richards · Mar 21, 2017

How does that look with solid black?

Thande · Mar 21, 2017

Alex Richards said:
How does that look with solid black?

Alright, but still a bit too thick I think.

Nanwe said:
That looks really good, especially as the white lines facilitate seeing boundaries better in case of areas with very large majorities.

I'm not a Londoner, but I did live there so I hope I'm allowed to give my opinion

Yeah - just to make sure it still looks OK for the maps with generally lighter shades, here's one of the 2004 mayoral election; also a Labour win, but very different due to the circumstances and the much larger third party vote.

edit: Now with new and exciting features such as 'the correct year'

Meadow · Mar 21, 2017

I like it with the white, it's more immediately obvious which borough is which, which is what's important.

Dom · Mar 21, 2017

I like it with the lighter border, like what Meadow suggested.

Utgard96 · Mar 21, 2017

I'm pleased to announce that @Alex Richards, @Thande and myself have taken the AJR Election Maps project to Twitter! Follow us to get updates about new maps right as they're posted.

Dom · Mar 22, 2017

Utgard96 said:
I'm pleased to announce that @Alex Richards, @Thande and myself have taken the AJR Election Maps project to Twitter! Follow us to get updates about new maps right as they're posted.

Thande, on Twitter? Just tell me where you've got his parents and I will pay the money for their release.