Other possible Greek monarchs?

Could Prince Rudolf of Austria become king of Greece? Or maybe get another German Prince on the throne?
Perhaps even a Russian Prince!
And by the way, what about the Karadordevics, weren’t they a successful native monarchy? Much like the Karadordeivcs, Ypsilantis and Mavrocordatos were also revolutionaries- could they become the kings of Greece?
None of the gret powers would have allowed for Crown Prince Rudolph to be greek king. First off, he was a child, second, Russian interests in the area, they would not have allowed a future rival Austrian Emperor to rule a country so near their interests in the Bosphorus, and the British and French are fine with Austrian power keeping Prussia in check in Central Europe, or Russia in Balkans, but they don't want Austria too close to the Mediterranean.
 
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1831: Besides Otto, Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was considered for the Greek throne.

1863: The London Convention stating that a Greek King cannot be from a ruling dynasty of a Great Power (but does not include former ruling dynasties of said GPs.) Which was the reason why Prince Alfred was disqualified (that and Queen Victoria adamantly refused to have him as King of the Hellenes.) Besides the man who ultimately became King Georgios I (William of Denmark) the British proposed Ernest II (then Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), Ernst Leopold (then Prince of Leningen) and the future Maximilian I of Mexico. The French proposed Henri, Duke of Aumale (the fifth son of Louis Philippe I).

Ernest II and Maximilian would be very interesting since the latter was from the same ruling dynasty as Austria, a great power, while the former would technically breach the London Protocol when Vicky kicks the bucket.
 
How about the descendants of the Palailogos dynasty:
  • Paleologo-Oriundi family (direct descendants of Flaminio Paleologo), but the illegitimacy of their paternal ancestor would be a big issue among the Great Powers.
  • House of Gonzaga; however, the problem is that by 19th century, the cadet branches of this family who were maternally descended from the Palailogos were already extinct, and surviving cadet branch (Gonzaga-Vescovato) were relatively remote to be considered.
 
1831: Besides Otto, Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was considered for the Greek throne.

1863: The London Convention stating that a Greek King cannot be from a ruling dynasty of a Great Power (but does not include former ruling dynasties of said GPs.) Which was the reason why Prince Alfred was disqualified (that and Queen Victoria adamantly refused to have him as King of the Hellenes.) Besides the man who ultimately became King Georgios I (William of Denmark) the British proposed Ernest II (then Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), Ernst Leopold (then Prince of Leningen) and the future Maximilian I of Mexico. The French proposed Henri, Duke of Aumale (the fifth son of Louis Philippe I).

Ernest II and Maximilian would be very interesting since the latter was from the same ruling dynasty as Austria, a great power, while the former would technically breach the London Protocol when Vicky kicks the bucket.
Maximilian would have been disqualified as you say because he was at that time the second in line to his brother Francis Joseph's throne in Austria. Ernest II, was Queen Victoria's brother-in law, (Prince Albert's only brother) so his close relations to Britain may not have garnered enough support.
 
Maximilian would have been disqualified as you say because he was at that time the second in line to his brother Francis Joseph's throne in Austria. Ernest II, was Queen Victoria's brother-in law, (Prince Albert's only brother) so his close relations to Britain may not have garnered enough support.

You think so? (On the latter) I've always thought that since the House of S-C-G was going to rule GB anyway, any member from that direct family is off the table.
 
You think so? (On the latter) I've always thought that since the House of S-C-G was going to rule GB anyway, any member from that direct family is off the table.
Ernest II was also an avowed German Nationalist and I don't think he wanted to remove himself from the scene in Germany. The members of the family had an overblown opinion of their influence in Germany since Ernest II was not just close relations with the British Monarchy, but he was the paternal uncle of the Kaiser's mother, (Vicky) the Empress Frederick, and the great-uncle of Wilhelm II. I believe he served alongside the Prussians in their wars for unification.
 
Maximilian would have been disqualified as you say because he was at that time the second in line to his brother Francis Joseph's throne in Austria. Ernest II, was Queen Victoria's brother-in law, (Prince Albert's only brother) so his close relations to Britain may not have garnered enough support.
What about Archduke Franz Karl’s other sons?
 
What about Archduke Franz Karl’s other sons?
They are too close to the throne of the Austrian Empire. If the goal was to be sure they were not from the dynasties of the great powers of Europe then I would think any members of the Romanovs, Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerns, Saxe-Coburg-Gothas, (British line), or even the Bonaparte's who were in power in France at the time, or the Savoy's in Italy who were at that time recently united, will not be considered. A minor line may be considered, but the Danish Royal family members fit a great compromise as they were an accepted Royal line, and from a nation with little or not influence in the area. Also any member of the Orleanist-Bourbons descended from King Louis Philippe I would most likely be vetoed by Napoleon III.
 
They are too close to the throne of the Austrian Empire. If the goal was to be sure they were not from the dynasties of the great powers of Europe then I would think any members of the Romanovs, Hapsburgs, Hohenzollerns, Saxe-Coburg-Gothas, (British line), or even the Bonaparte's who were in power in France at the time, or the Savoy's in Italy who were at that time recently united, will not be considered. A minor line may be considered, but the Danish Royal family members fit a great compromise as they were an accepted Royal line, and from a nation with little or not influence in the area. Also any member of the Orleanist-Bourbons descended from King Louis Philippe I would most likely be vetoed by Napoleon III.
So who else?
 
How about the Duke of Aosta? In 1863 he isn't King of Spain yet, and his election as King of Greece would rule him out of being King of Spain in 1870 so there's a knock on effect.

Perhaps ...
Amadeo I of Greece
Thomas I of Spain (Amadeo's paternal cousin via his father's younger brother, thus the Cortes Generale might consider him should Amadeo not be available)
 
How about the Duke of Aosta? In 1863 he isn't King of Spain yet, and his election as King of Greece would rule him out of being King of Spain in 1870 so there's a knock on effect.

Perhaps ...
Amadeo I of Greece
Thomas I of Spain (Amadeo's paternal cousin via his father's younger brother, thus the Cortes Generale might consider him should Amadeo not be available)
But wasn’t he a Catholic?
 
Otto was Catholic, and the French candidate for the crown in 1863 was the Duke of Aumale, also Catholic. So Amadeo's Catholicism wouldn't preclude his candidacy or his eventual selection.
But in 1863 the powers at that time agreed that the candidate should not be among their Royal Hoses. Italy albeit inly a new power, would have fallen into that carry. What happens later in the 1870's was another time and issue. (Spanish throne.).
 
But in 1863 the powers at that time agreed that the candidate should not be among their Royal Hoses. Italy albeit inly a new power, would have fallen into that carry. What happens later in the 1870's was another time and issue. (Spanish throne.).

As I understand it, it was merely that the London Conference saw Britain, France and Russia refuse to allow any members of their own royal famies to take the throne. It didn't preclude members of _any_ royal family - just the ones who would tip the balance in favour of one of the Big 3. Ergo, no Henri, Duke of Aumale and no Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh.

An Italian Prince wouldn't tip the power in favour of any of the Big 3 of the time, he's not even a Bourbon so the 'ruling family' clause wouldn't even cover him as a member of the French monarchy as it would possibly have with Isabella of Spain, as an example.
 
Alright then.
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King Amadeos I of Greece (1863-1890)
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Emmanouil Philos I of Greece (1890-1931)
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Amadeos II of Greece (1931-1942)
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Robertos I of Greece (1942-1973)
 
As I understand it, it was merely that the London Conference saw Britain, France and Russia refuse to allow any members of their own royal famies to take the throne. It didn't preclude members of _any_ royal family - just the ones who would tip the balance in favour of one of the Big 3. Ergo, no Henri, Duke of Aumale and no Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh.

An Italian Prince wouldn't tip the power in favour of any of the Big 3 of the time, he's not even a Bourbon so the 'ruling family' clause wouldn't even cover him as a member of the French monarchy as it would possibly have with Isabella of Spain, as an example.

An Italian Prince taking the Greek throne WOULD be great propaganda for the Holy See/Vatican after the Savoy/Kingdom of Italy takeover of Rome. Even if the chosen King was Catholic, just like Romania (Hohenzollern) and Bulgaria (Ferdinand of S-C) who were also Catholic, almost all children (and ALL males) of the dynasty would be raised Orthodox and the chosen King would agree to it. That is not even debatable.

The Popes could not just excommunicate the Savoys like VEII but the whole dynasty (who in the later form of Umberto and VEIII were extremely anti-clerical, verging on anti-Catholic personally, even if they had to keep up appearances and go to Mass) would be seen as apostates/heretics willing to change their religion at a whim and who would be importing foreign religions into Italy. And those that think that wouldn't happen, completely underestimate the mindset of Pius IX and what he would say to the world.
 
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An Italian Prince taking the Greek throne WOULD be great propaganda for the Holy See/Vatican after the Savoy/Kingdom of Italy takeover of Rome. Even if the chosen King was Catholic, just like Romania (Hohenzollern) and Bulgaria (Ferdinand of S-C) who were also Catholic, almost all children (and ALL males) of the dynasty would be raised Orthodox and the chosen King would agree to it. That is not even debatable.

The Popes could not just excommunicate the Savoys like VEII but the whole dynasty (who in the later form of Umberto and VEIII were extremely anti-clerical, verging on anti-Catholic personally, even if they had to keep up appearances and go to Mass) would be seen as apostates/heretics willing to change their religion at a whim and who would be importing foreign religions into Italy. And those that think that wouldn't happen, completely underestimate the mindset of Pius IX and what he would say to the world.

If this would lead to Iran alike Clerical rule in Italy then I'm all in to read such TL :/
 
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