Other cases of massive diaspora immigration (back) to the "homeland"?

CaliGuy

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In the 20th century in our TL, we saw massive emigration (sometimes involuntary, in the case of ethnic Germans) of ethnic Germans (from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union) to Germany, of ethnic Jews (primarily from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa) to Palestine/Israel, of ethnic Russians (from the other ex-USSR countries) to Russia (after 1991), and arguably (depending on whether or not the numbers are sufficiently large for this) of ethnic Greeks (from Turkey in 1923 and from the former Soviet Union after 1991) to Greece.

Anyway, my question here is this--which other cases of massive immigration of a diaspora (especially an ethnic diaspora) back to their homeland can there realistically be?

(Indeed, there would need to be something which would compel hundreds of thousands or--better yet--millions of people from a particular/specific diaspora to immigrate (back) to their homeland--not exactly an easy task!)

Anyway, any thoughts on this?
 
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Just another example, rather than another potential case, but I guess the return of the Pied-Noirs who were of French origin and the flight of Rhodesians of British stock numbered in the tens to hundreds of thousands.

Maybe a more explosive and violent dissolution of the USSR could see even more of the Russian minorities within the other republics returning to Russia en masse.
Would greater violence against Chinese minorities in Malaysia lead to them fleeing to China? Not sure how closely felt the ties are.
 
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CaliGuy

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In an ATL where India/China did better you might see a lot of their emigrants come back?
Maybe; however, India and China still had problems such as overpopulation which wouldn't have been eliminated with greater economic growth.
 

CaliGuy

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Just another example, rather than another potential case, but I guess the return of the Pied-Noirs who were of French origin and the flight of Rhodesians of British stock numbered in the tens to hundreds of thousands.

OK; also, though, it appears that nearly one million ethnic Kazakhs from outside of Kazakhstan have resettled there between 1991 and early 2015:

http://www.rferl.org/a/kazakhstan-e...n-uzbekistan-turkmenistan-china/26796879.html

Maybe a more explosive and violent dissolution of the USSR could see even more of the Russian minorities within the other republics returning to Russia en masse.

Perhaps; however, the only place where I could see this having a significant difference in comparison to our TL would be Kazakhstan due to its large Russian minority. However, in such a scenario, it is possible that Russia will simply do what it did in either Crimea or the Donbass and sponsor separatists there (and perhaps annex these territories, to boot!).

Would greater violence against Chinese minorities in Malaysia lead to them fleeing to China? Not sure how closely felt the ties are.

Maybe; however, let's see if we have any experts on this topic, since I myself unfortunately am not such an expert! :(
 
How exactly do you realistically accomplish the conquest of Israel, though?

arab nations block the emigration of jews so israel has less manpower , better arab armies and an attack in the 50s or earlier 60s or if arabs win big in the yom kippur war ,you could have the Palestinians settle in the west bank
 
Germany realises that their ethnic compatriots can't hold down all of Central/Eastern Europe, so Germany focuses on certain parts, like the Banat, with immigration targeted to whatever Germany deems feesible for this state? And presumably, this happens elsewhere, and Germany limits potential foreign states to realistic regions, like Transylvania, the Baltic, etc. People of German ancestry in Central/Eastern Europe immigrate back to these nations created under influence from Germany.
 
In an ATL where India/China did better you might see a lot of their emigrants come back?

There actually was a bit, a very small scale one, back to China from the USA during the second Red Scare. Several important scientists went back to China and help their nuclear and space programs, and general development.

Now that could easily be made even worse/bigger, perhaps a Chinese spy ring is discovered to have infiltrated California posing as refugees from the Civil War? One big enough to prompt a response from the government, and the people. I can easily see a USA where effectively every Chinese person with any semblance of authority (scientist, teacher, politician, anyone with a really high education, high positions in corporations) be deported/placed under house arrest and escape to China.

That'd actually be an interesting TL, might help Mao's China develop, as well.
 

CaliGuy

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arab nations block the emigration of jews so israel has less manpower , better arab armies and an attack in the 50s or earlier 60s or if arabs win big in the yom kippur war ,you could have the Palestinians settle in the west bank
If Israel won its 1948-1949 war without significant Middle Eastern/North African Jewish manpower, wouldn't it be likely for Israel to likewise win a future war with the Arabs even without significant Middle Eastern/North African Jewish manpower?
 

CaliGuy

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Germany realises that their ethnic compatriots can't hold down all of Central/Eastern Europe, so Germany focuses on certain parts, like the Banat, with immigration targeted to whatever Germany deems feesible for this state? And presumably, this happens elsewhere, and Germany limits potential foreign states to realistic regions, like Transylvania, the Baltic, etc. People of German ancestry in Central/Eastern Europe immigrate back to these nations created under influence from Germany.
You mean after a German victory in WWI? If so, what exactly will motivate, say, Romanian Germans to immigrate to the Banat or to the Baltics? (However, Russian Germans might be a different matter if anti-German sentiments become very widespread in Russia in this TL!)
 

CaliGuy

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There actually was a bit, a very small scale one, back to China from the USA during the second Red Scare. Several important scientists went back to China and help their nuclear and space programs, and general development.

Now that could easily be made even worse/bigger, perhaps a Chinese spy ring is discovered to have infiltrated California posing as refugees from the Civil War? One big enough to prompt a response from the government, and the people. I can easily see a USA where effectively every Chinese person with any semblance of authority (scientist, teacher, politician, anyone with a really high education, high positions in corporations) be deported/placed under house arrest and escape to China.

That'd actually be an interesting TL, might help Mao's China develop, as well.
Question--were U.S. Chinese aware of the dangers of living under Mao's rule/regime in China during this time?

Also, wasn't the U.S.'s Chinese population during this time pretty low?
 

CaliGuy

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Would greater violence against Chinese minorities in Malaysia lead to them fleeing to China? Not sure how closely felt the ties are.
If the information here:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/a-communist-indonesia.409177/page-2#post-14182952

--is accurate, could there be a Malaysian leader who begins discriminating against all or most ethnic Chinese people in Malaysia due to him equating all Chinese with Communists? If so, could that cause many--indeed, perhaps most--of the ethnic Chinese people in Malaysia to immigrate to China?

Also, while this is certainly something that I want to avoid, I would like to point out that having Stalin deport all Hungarians in Eastern Europe to Hungary might actually be both doable and realistic if, say, the Nazis overthrow Miklos Horthy and replace him with the Arrow Cross earlier and if the Hungarian Arrow Cross army then proceeds to engage in widespread war crimes and massacres in the Soviet Union; indeed, in such a scenario/TL, having Stalin deport all ethnic Hungarians to Hungary after the end of World War II might be perceived as being "necessary" revenge by him and the Soviet Union.
 
Question--were U.S. Chinese aware of the dangers of living under Mao's rule/regime in China during this time?

Also, wasn't the U.S.'s Chinese population during this time pretty low?

Well before the famine Mao's China was practical utopia compared to any other era. There was democracy among the villages, agriculture was being mechanized, industry was rapidly expanding, technology was advancing, the average person's life expectancy was growing by about 1.5 years per year, medicine, food quality, everything was going swimmingly until the drought hit right as the Great Leap Forward started to get going.

Another good TL idea, either the GLF is postponed for some reason or an ASB gets rid of the drought.
 

CaliGuy

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Well before the famine Mao's China was practical utopia compared to any other era. There was democracy among the villages, agriculture was being mechanized, industry was rapidly expanding, technology was advancing, the average person's life expectancy was growing by about 1.5 years per year, medicine, food quality, everything was going swimmingly until the drought hit right as the Great Leap Forward started to get going.

Another good TL idea, either the GLF is postponed for some reason or an ASB gets rid of the drought.
Thanks for this information! :)

Also, though, can you please elaborate on the democracy part here?
 
Thanks for this information! :)

Also, though, can you please elaborate on the democracy part here?

The people didn't directly say who ran the country, unfortunately, but I suppose it's at least understandable considering the country had been at war with imperialists and itself for two decades. But on lower levels Mao was really big on democracy. His policies were absolutely horrendous during the GLF (there's a drought, why are we continuing the policy that lowers grain yields?), but he was very interested in decentralization and the people driving socialism. Especially after the Sino-Soviet Split when he no longer had to pretend to like Stalin (who was hugely into centralization).

In fact the GLF was supposed to make the rural regions self-sufficient. The rural industry would provide for the people so that they didn't have to get goods from the cities. Unfortunately the people were a bit... too revolutionary... and not only worked on making pig iron but then turned all their tools and implements into pig iron, and the Chinese steel industry was not prepared for that much pig iron. In provinces which had a history of steelmaking production did increase because the people knew how to work pig iron into steel, but elsewhere it just sat there. But when it comes to huge countries of the 20th century that had revolutions, Mao probably came closest to getting some nice and good lateral socialism going on.

Of course this is a pretty rosy picture I'm painting because I'm focusing on the pre-GLF (and therefore pre-huge political instability) era.
 
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