Other Austria's of the world

What are some points in history which could have resulted in a situation similar to Germany and Austria; a pair of two culturally and linguistically similar nations that for one reason or another remain distinct and separate from one another, to the point that one or both nations have taken to emphasizing aspects of their culture or heritage which the two do not share.
 
What are some points in history which could have resulted in a situation similar to Germany and Austria; a pair of two culturally and linguistically similar nations that for one reason or another remain distinct and separate from one another, to the point that one or both nations have taken to emphasizing aspects of their culture or heritage which the two do not share.
Canada and the US, right now.
 
Had Charles the Bold not been killed against the Swiss at Nancy and perhaps been able to father a son and heir, Burgundy could have eventually become the Austria to France's Germany. He was already striving to break free of vassalage to the French throne and establish Burgundy as it's own kingdom, though he was in a precarious positioned sandwiched between France and the Holy Roman Emperor, with land holdings that I believe he still had to pay homage for. He definitely would have needed allies.

If you think about it, the Arabian Peninsula is kind of like this, but with multiple Austrias to the Germany portrayed by Saudi Arabia.

It easily could have happened in China too, with a pair of rivalry dynasties of Han descent lasting into the modern period. Ironically, this may have helped China modernize altogether, if these competing dynasties reach out to the European nations for further trade and modernization so they could defeat their rival.
 
Others - England and Scotland, Belgium and its neighbors, the various hispanophone countries of Latin America, some of the Arab nations, and the two Koreas.
 
If Prussia and Brandenburg hadn't united, maybe Prussia could end up as being to too Baltic to be in Germany (or whatever takes Germany's place ittl), but it can still speak a German dialect. For bonus points it can emphasize it's crusader heritage.
 
Lots of Chicanos[1] believe that the southern US and northern Mexico are this.

[1] Mexican-American, but like, "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us" types rather than recent immigrants.
 
If Prussia and Brandenburg hadn't united, maybe Prussia could end up as being to too Baltic to be in Germany (or whatever takes Germany's place ittl), but it can still speak a German dialect. For bonus points it can emphasize it's crusader heritage.
Would Frederick the Iron of Brandenburg take Polish throne after Jagiełło, Brandenburg could easily evolve into Austria's analogue, with Poland and Lithuania being like Bohemia and Hungary.
 

krieger

Banned
Would Frederick the Iron of Brandenburg take Polish throne after Jagiełło, Brandenburg could easily evolve into Austria's analogue, with Poland and Lithuania being like Bohemia and Hungary.
Not so much Poland itself dwarfed Bohemia and it's doubtful that Hohenzollerns would remain German in culture after taking Polish throne, the alternate grandson of Frederick the Iron would be as Polish as Casimir III.
 
Not so much Poland itself dwarfed Bohemia and it's doubtful that Hohenzollerns would remain German in culture after taking Polish throne, the alternate grandson of Frederick the Iron would be as Polish as Casimir III.
That obviously would not be exactly analouge of Habsburg Monarchy, but the point is, it would tie Brandenburg to multinational monarchy outside HRE and would keep it distinct from surronding Northern German lands (for example Brandenburg is likely to stay Catholic due to dynastic ties with Poland).
 

krieger

Banned
That obviously would not be exactly analouge of Habsburg Monarchy, but the point is, it would tie Brandenburg to multinational monarchy outside HRE and would keep it distinct from surronding Northern German lands (for example Brandenburg is likely to stay Catholic due to dynastic ties with Poland).

Or Poland will go protestant. Frederick the Iron getting Polish (and Lithuanian) throne isn't exactly in the same situation as Augustus the Strong was. If Friedrich becomes a king by the marriage to Hedwig Jagiellon (and it's only realistic way to become king) it means that throne in Poland stays hereditary and there is no election, so the position of King in the political system is stronger. In addition Poland during Jagiełło's reign wasn't yet a noble republic. And protestantism was strong IOTL in both Poland and Lithuania and Hohenzollern on the throne (so stronger cultural ties with Germany) could push alt-Poland in Protestant direction.
 
Or Poland will go protestant. Frederick the Iron getting Polish (and Lithuanian) throne isn't exactly in the same situation as Augustus the Strong was. If Friedrich becomes a king by the marriage to Hedwig Jagiellon (and it's only realistic way to become king) it means that throne in Poland stays hereditary and there is no election, so the position of King in the political system is stronger. In addition Poland during Jagiełło's reign wasn't yet a noble republic. And protestantism was strong IOTL in both Poland and Lithuania and Hohenzollern on the throne (so stronger cultural ties with Germany) could push alt-Poland in Protestant direction.
There is still one problem with this, not faced OTL by Scandinavian or German states-large Orthodox population in both Poland and Lithuania.
 
Top