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Great chapter
I think they will stay neutral and wen the Russian explode they can attack the USSR in the Caucasus to protect the Armenian and azari people and add them to the Glorious Empire😇
 

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Great chapter
I think they will stay neutral and wen the Russian explode they can attack the USSR in the Caucasus to protect the Armenian and azari people and add them to the Glorious Empire😇
But do you think the Russians will explode without the ottos in the CP?
 
Hey Sarthaka, i'm curious as to what the Ottoman population would be around 1914, seeing as they retained their Balkan and Libyan territories, The 1905-1906 ottoman census gives a population of 20.9 million, and as i have frankly no idea about what population growth rate would be present in the Ottoman Empire i'm just going to use a 1.5% per annum rate to get an estimated 1914 population of 23.6 million.
 
Great chapter
I think they will stay neutral and wen the Russian explode they can attack the USSR in the Caucasus to protect the Armenian and azari people and add them to the Glorious Empire😇
We will see. However I don't think direct annexation is viable. Vassalization seems more prudent if a collapse does happen.
 
Hey Sarthaka, i'm curious as to what the Ottoman population would be around 1914, seeing as they retained their Balkan and Libyan territories, The 1905-1906 ottoman census gives a population of 20.9 million, and as i have frankly no idea about what population growth rate would be present in the Ottoman Empire i'm just going to use a 1.5% per annum rate to get an estimated 1914 population of 23.6 million.
With Libya and Yemen retained as well as Najd, the oe population is around ~25 million.
 
You know, I'm now kinda hoping the position of Samos lasts to the present day...it seems peculiar enough for me to gain some interest.
It was a peculiar entity no doubt. Sorta like the crown holdings like Mann and the channel Islands of Britain today. A holding of the monarch but not governed directly by the monarch's government.
 
Hm, I was thinking about normal immigration to the ottoman empire other than the Jews, what do you guys think? Which groups of people do you think would have the highest tendency to immigrate to a more modern ottoman empire?
 
With Libya and Yemen retained as well as Najd, the oe population is around ~25 million.
Hm, I was thinking about normal immigration to the ottoman empire other than the Jews, what do you guys think? Which groups of people do you think would have the highest tendency to immigrate to a more modern ottoman empire?
Thanks for the reply. In terms of immigration maybe Muslims from Europe might immigrate to the OE, such as from Bosnia and parts of the Russian Empire. Immigration from India, Pakistan, Indonesia and other parts of Asia might also occur due to higher living standards in the OE and its foremost position among Muslim nations ITTL. Immigration of Armenians could occur if Russia becomes heavy-handed or downright oppressive against their Armenian population for whatever reason, maybe Azerbaijanis and some Kurds from Iran if a large portion of Ottoman Kurds become sedentary, settle in urban areas and experience a tangible increase in their living standards.
 
I must say I 100% support a Mughal as king of Pakistan but did know legitimate claimant still existed at the time ? I was under the impression that the British killed them for the Indian rebellion .
Their still were a bunch of claimants at the time, some of them sons and grandsons of the last Mughal emperor, they just you know A say the claim as kind of worthless given the British disinherited them and would kill any claimant who tried to press it to rule Deli.
 
Also, is it possible to get a detailed demographic breakdown of the ethnic groups in TTL Ottoman Empire at some point in the future, I find that sort of data to be rather interesting.
 
Hm, I was thinking about normal immigration to the ottoman empire other than the Jews, what do you guys think? Which groups of people do you think would have the highest tendency to immigrate to a more modern ottoman empire?
It would likely be from well, Russia and Persia given the borders are relatively close and a lot of people lives are pretty terrible.

Case in point given the civil war in Iran some war torn refuges fleeing, middle class relocating and setting up their business in a more stable state, the war causing poverty from high taxes so some move towards a better quality of life ect.

Russia to a lesser extent given the territories they have taken are pretty loyal and most of the people who move were forced to decades ago.
 
I wonder how conservative politicians all over Europe (plus the potential leftist revolutionaries all over the place, like Lenin and Rosa Luxembourg, or moderates like Jean Jaurès) will take the fact that Constantinople will be run by a socialist (more like a social democrat actually, but still).
 
Also, is it possible to get a detailed demographic breakdown of the ethnic groups in TTL Ottoman Empire at some point in the future, I find that sort of data to be rather interesting.
I am considering doing something like that but it will take some time.
 
It would likely be from well, Russia and Persia given the borders are relatively close and a lot of people lives are pretty terrible.

Case in point given the civil war in Iran some war torn refuges fleeing, middle class relocating and setting up their business in a more stable state, the war causing poverty from high taxes so some move towards a better quality of life ect.

Russia to a lesser extent given the territories they have taken are pretty loyal and most of the people who move were forced to decades ago.
Good point. Persian immigration is a high possibility too.
 
I wonder how conservative politicians all over Europe (plus the potential leftist revolutionaries all over the place, like Lenin and Rosa Luxembourg, or moderates like Jean Jaurès) will take the fact that Constantinople will be run by a socialist (more like a social democrat actually, but still).
Lenin would be angry that they remain under a monarchy. Luxembourg I believe didn't really have problems with a real constitutional monarchy.
 
I am considering doing something like that but it will take some time.
Regardless of how long it takes or whether it does occur, I would like to say that your two timelines (Osman Reborn and Russia Resurgent) are both enjoyable and interesting regarding how Russia and the Ottomans end up doing better compared with OTL..
 
Does rashidi arabia have the oil fields Saudis had?

One interesting situation will be ottoman tourism to greece and Georgia may dominate their economies.
 
I just found this TL and it is already one of my favourites. I'm Greek heritage and I've always wanted to see a TL that has a rapprochement between Greece and Turkey/Ottomans. It is a tragedy that in OTL they have been so hostile to each other that it has harmed both of them.

Turkey/Ottomans will benefit immensely from the merchant marine/trading contacts of Greece while Greece will benefit from being friendly to the largest power in the region. Greek tourism and industry can be only benefit from a friendly relationship between the two powers while a friendly Greece allows the Ottomans to have a thriving and peaceful Aegean.

I am eagerly looking forward to how this TL develops
 
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