Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

[Ammonios]

Enjoyed the cuisine and cultural updates of Ottoman Empire here. It's also a nice change of pace from usual political stuff.

Didn't really expect West Australian seccessionist part but not surprising because it's where I live as home. I doubt independent West Australia would be successful.

Hello,

I agree with the food and cultural developments. One wrinkle to the food aspect is the Ottomans' trade relations with Mexico. Certainly tequila and pork products have no chance in the Empire, but corn products, vegetables unique to Mexico, and the variety of chili peppers may make inroads to Turkish, Arab, and Jewish kitchens. I cannot help but speculate on how Ottoman and Mexican cuisines may fuse together.

 

[Sarthak]

Enjoyed the cuisine and cultural updates of Ottoman Empire here. It's also a nice change of pace from usual political stuff.

Didn't really expect West Australian seccessionist part but not surprising because it's where I live as home. I doubt independent West Australia would be successful.

thanks i will be adding more cultural updates soon as well.

 

[Sarthak]

Hello,

I agree with the food and cultural developments. One wrinkle to the food aspect is the Ottomans' trade relations with Mexico. Certainly tequila and pork products have no chance in the Empire, but corn products, vegetables unique to Mexico, and the variety of chili peppers may make inroads to Turkish, Arab, and Jewish kitchens. I cannot help but speculate on how Ottoman and Mexican cuisines may fuse together.

certainly. the various spices and vegetables of Mexico could make important headways into the OE

 

[Deleted member 157939]

What’s the status of Ottoman Libya ATL?

 

[PrinceofApathy]

I gotta say. As a Jew, I am personally loving how this TL unfolds for us. I can firmly say that I would be on the side of the Ottomans were I in this situation.

 

[Sarthak]

What’s the status of Ottoman Libya ATL?

It's still a part of the OE much like a large Kaliningrad really
It was covered in these chapters

Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

Interesting. Does the influx of Italian settlers into Tunisia mean that Tunisia will become more of a settler colony? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you have an influx of French settlers as well in an earlier chapter? If so, that would make it much harder to decolonize Tunisia later on.

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Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

I was wondering if a parliamentary body exists for Northern Ireland as one was established in 1921 OTL? Why did the Weimar people turn the 1848 German flag on its side? I genuinely mistook it for the Belgian flag for a moment. A minor nitpick in the same Reichstag Election wikibox you have...

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Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

So I’ve got to ask a lot of German revanchist feelings was brought about by just how close they were to winning. After all in 1915 the Germans were so close to taking Paris, and in 1917 the Eastern Front was pushed West and it certainly made considerable progress before running out of gas...

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Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

Hey Sarthaka, I have a question regarding TTL Ottoman Navy. Their Naval Bill called for 6 battleships to be built, of which 2 (Turgut Reis and Hayreddin Barbarossa) had already been acquired. I guess that the 2 battleships ordered from the UK will be the Resadiye class (or something similar)...

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Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

It could be a northern ireland situation for the Sinai ottomans use ottomans jews as spies infiltrating Jewish side in the conflict, like wise with arabs.

www.alternatehistory.com

 

[Sarthak]

I gotta say. As a Jew, I am personally loving how this TL unfolds for us. I can firmly say that I would be on the side of the Ottomans were I in this situation.

Thanks! Though the Pro and Anti Ottoman Jewish conflict will rage on in the OE for some time before the rise of DBG as Grand Vizier cements the pro-Ottoman forces.

 

[Deleted member 157939]

It's still a part of the OE much like a large Kaliningrad really
It was covered in these chapters

Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

Interesting. Does the influx of Italian settlers into Tunisia mean that Tunisia will become more of a settler colony? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you have an influx of French settlers as well in an earlier chapter? If so, that would make it much harder to decolonize Tunisia later on.

www.alternatehistory.com

Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

I was wondering if a parliamentary body exists for Northern Ireland as one was established in 1921 OTL? Why did the Weimar people turn the 1848 German flag on its side? I genuinely mistook it for the Belgian flag for a moment. A minor nitpick in the same Reichstag Election wikibox you have...

www.alternatehistory.com

Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

So I’ve got to ask a lot of German revanchist feelings was brought about by just how close they were to winning. After all in 1915 the Germans were so close to taking Paris, and in 1917 the Eastern Front was pushed West and it certainly made considerable progress before running out of gas...

www.alternatehistory.com

Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

Hey Sarthaka, I have a question regarding TTL Ottoman Navy. Their Naval Bill called for 6 battleships to be built, of which 2 (Turgut Reis and Hayreddin Barbarossa) had already been acquired. I guess that the 2 battleships ordered from the UK will be the Resadiye class (or something similar)...

www.alternatehistory.com

Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]

It could be a northern ireland situation for the Sinai ottomans use ottomans jews as spies infiltrating Jewish side in the conflict, like wise with arabs.

www.alternatehistory.com

Super interesting read! I should of specified, I. meant more specifically aspects like do Ottoman administration continue to utilize the Senussi in Cyrenecia etc

 

[Sarthak]

Super interesting read! I should of specified, I. meant more specifically aspects like do Ottoman administration continue to utilize the Senussi in Cyrenecia etc

that will be coming in a future chapter!

 

[Vassonx]

Really interesting read. Seeing how the Ottomans ITL have survived to the modern day, I wonder about how appropriate would be for it to still officially name itself an Empire in the modern day. Since the previous decades of global decolonization, independence and anti-imperialism made the terminology of "Empire" a rather dirty word in the 21st century. Would the Ottomans really continue to be called Ottoman Empire in 2021? Or would the terminology shift into the more neutral Sublime Ottoman State?

 

[Sarthak]

Really interesting read. Seeing how the Ottomans ITL have survived to the modern day, I wonder about how appropriate would be for it to still officially name itself an Empire in the modern day. Since the previous decades of global decolonization, independence and anti-imperialism made the terminology of "Empire" a rather dirty word in the 21st century. Would the Ottomans really continue to be called Ottoman Empire in 2021? Or would the terminology shift into the more neutral Sublime Ottoman State?

the Ottoman 'Empire' is a colloquial term. The official name of the Ottoman Empire since 1453 is the The Sublime Ottoman State

 

[Vassonx]

the Ottoman 'Empire' is a colloquial term. The official name of the Ottoman Empire since 1453 is the The Sublime Ottoman State

Yes, I am aware. I was just wondering from the news snippets of your timeline that the Ottomans were still referred to as an Empire, which would make the term rather politically charged in the 21st century context.

 

[Sarthak]

Yes, I am aware. I was just wondering from the news snippets of your timeline that the Ottomans were still referred to as an Empire, which would make the term rather politically charged in the 21st century context.

its more like that of a Japanese context of otl. In some Taiwanese, many Korean and Chinese, Far East Russian, and even more than a few SEA media still call Japan an Empire, due to its 'Emperor'. The Ottoman Padishah, which is an Islamic term for Emperor directly corresponds with this. So it really depends on the media that you read it. The Ottomans simply call themselves the Ottoman State

 

[Alpha-King98760]

Great update! That Ottoman cuisine sure does look appetising. Also interesting to see the development of Ottoman Zionism, though the “Butcher of the Middle East” leaves me very much worried.

 

[Sarthak]

Great update! That Ottoman cuisine sure does look appetising. Also interesting to see the development of Ottoman Zionism, though the “Butcher of the Middle East” leaves me very much worried.

Indeed, the Second World War is going to be extremely........complicated to say the least.

 

[Gman]

Sarthaka, may I ask what the Ottoman Empire's population looks like in 1924? I understand that a previous chapter indicated that previous censuses under-counted the population (due to ignoring certain individuals), and that where the 1919 census indicated a population of 24.7 million, the actual population was in the low 30 million range.

I would guess that the population is presently in the mid 30 million range, and likely growing at a healthy rate for the early 20th century (likely faster than France, and at a rate that i suspect will enable Italy to be overtaken in population sometime in the 1930s).

 

[Sarthak]

Sarthaka, may I ask what the Ottoman Empire's population looks like in 1924? I understand that a previous chapter indicated that previous censuses under-counted the population (due to ignoring certain individuals), and that where the 1919 census indicated a population of 24.7 million, the actual population was in the low 30 million range.

I would guess that the population is presently in the mid 30 million range, and likely growing at a healthy rate for the early 20th century (likely faster than France, and at a rate that i suspect will enable Italy to be overtaken in population sometime in the 1930s).

Pretty much. The Ottoman population is around near the mid-30 million mark.

 

[Red Angel]

I want to see how's the dutch is doing.

 

[Sarthak]

I want to see how's the dutch is doing.

they start to become important in the late 20s or so.

 

[Red Angel]

they start to become important in the late 20s or so.

ok, good luck with this.