Ya know I always thought that the barbary states were independent. It's what my text books in class always seemed to imply.
Osman Reborn; The Survival of Ottoman Democracy [An Ottoman TL set in the 1900s]
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What proxy wars had occurred in the era of the similar Cold War? And how stable is America?
I'm guessing because they aren't as left-leaning or revolutionary as other socialist movements/parties in other countries, we won't being seeing large scale nationalisation or redistribution of wealth. (I know that there are multiple sub-ideologies and schools of thought in socialism, and the Ottoman Socialist Party appear to be comfortable working within the scope of a parliamentary democracy, so revolutionary style communism/socialism of overthrowing the government and instituting a communist state a la the USSR appears rather unlikely - especially as the Ottomans are still undergoing what I will guess to be strong, sustainable economic growth that isn't being concentrated in the hands of a few wealthy elites).
1. I expecting there might be a joint Greco-Ottoman military police in Cyprus against the radicals and would also increase their relationships
2. I would've thought some Ottoman would immigrate to Mexico as well since it's literally a melting pot of different ethnic groups from all over the world (except for Africa since it's still being held by the Great Powers)
3. I'm not surprised what's happening to France since they have a history of being rebellious and unstable... idk if you will do it but I hope you divide France when the 2nd Great War happens and if they join the bad side.
4. When it comes to America, they have a history of making enemies then allies (like now...) and since the 2nd Civil War may/may not happened and I hope you make like the Pacific states be it's own country like Kaiserreich.
2. I would've thought some Ottoman would immigrate to Mexico as well since it's literally a melting pot of different ethnic groups from all over the world (except for Africa since it's still being held by the Great Powers)
3. I'm not surprised what's happening to France since they have a history of being rebellious and unstable... idk if you will do it but I hope you divide France when the 2nd Great War happens and if they join the bad side.
4. When it comes to America, they have a history of making enemies then allies (like now...) and since the 2nd Civil War may/may not happened and I hope you make like the Pacific states be it's own country like Kaiserreich.
Like the developments of the story so far. Ottoman investments might help Latin American economies in long run but Ofc this would clashes with American interests because of Monroe Doctrine. This might lead to interesting clashes between American and Ottoman interests in the future.
they're democratic socialists rather than revolutionary socialists
we will see!
Ottoman development and influence in Latin America will certainly be interesting to say the least
OTL Great Britain outmanuvered all the powers regarding influence in South America, being railroads and meat processing plants the top investments besides well, loans.
I guess its only logical for a far better standing Ottoman Empire to secure a share of raw materials and consumer goods, influencing first South America, and after, who knows.
I guess its only logical for a far better standing Ottoman Empire to secure a share of raw materials and consumer goods, influencing first South America, and after, who knows.
Would you not expect a number of segments of society to be at least disgruntled over undertaking in such practices?
I thought the same. But other ethnic groups doesnt see this as forbidden. Maybe most of the loans are carried by ottoman greeks, armenians or 3rd parties.
Or theres some islamic school thats more open to jurisprudence regarding international trade. But i let that to someone who knows better the issue of loans and islam.
No Islamic school of jurisprudence would consider interest based loans permissible.
Did a little search, and one of the core concepts in islam banking is "riba", the increase, the interest. If i understood it well, you cant lend money and expect more than you had lent.
Maybe if the interest for loans is treated as something else, it wouldnt fall in prohibitions. I mean, recieving the equivalent value of the total interest in goods and services though a cooperative, or as a donation, or something related.
Maybe if the interest for loans is treated as something else, it wouldnt fall in prohibitions. I mean, recieving the equivalent value of the total interest in goods and services though a cooperative, or as a donation, or something related.
This sounds Ra'y.
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Interesting to see the Ottomans invest in Latin America.
The Johnson Incident seems like just another reason for the Ottomans and America to dislike each other and was a very creative incident IMO.
Finally I hope Cyprus gets to be peaceful ITTL with the ethnic violence it looks like it’ll face.