Optimize the RN for WWII

One thing i'd do in the 30's if possible, a refit/rebuild of the Courageous and Glorious to give them a full flight deck forwards.
Could their hulls take the weight/strain of a full deck forward?
R.A. Burt's British Battleships 1919-45 includes a proposal to convert them into single hangar ships. Unfortunately, he didn't say whether they would have had full length flight decks. This was in 1938. However, the cost was high, a considerable time required to carry it out and new ships were under construction so the project was shelved. To which I would have added the ships were over 20 years old.

However, as the POD is 1923, each ship cost £2 million to convert and we've got another £5.6 to 8.4 million a year to spend I'd scrap them in 1923 and build a pair of 22,000 ton "keel up" aircraft carriers that would cost £4 million each instead. I'd like to abandon the conversion of Furious to a flush deck carrier too and use the extra money to build another 22,000 ton "keel up" aircraft carrier but as it was begun in 1921 and completed in 1925 it's probably too far advanced to cancel.
 
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Not particularly, this part of naval aviation isn't as delicate as ship-borne aviation. Indeed as long as a reasonable wartime command structure is in place its better to have Coastal Command be a drain on the RAFs budget between the wars than the RNs.
Why do you think it's a drain?

At 31st March 1934 the RAF had 24 torpedo bombers in 2 squadrons and 35 coastal reconnaissance aircraft (23 flying boats and 12 seaplanes) in 7 squadrons. That's out of a total strength of 791 aircraft in 72 squadrons, not including the FAA of the RAF which at that time had 162 aircraft in 12 squadrons & 6 flights.

The 59 aircraft in 9 squadrons will cost the same whether they're borne on the Air Estimates or Navy Estimates so the Treasury won't be bothered.
 
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I'd like to abandon the conversion of Furious to a flush deck carrier too and use the extra money to build another 22,000 ton "keel up" aircraft carrier but as it was begun in 1921 and completed in 1925 it's probably too far advanced to cancel.
It may be too late to cancel her but she could still be completed with an island and conventional funnel increasing her air group to 48.
 
Some excellent ideas and points thus far; I particularly like the contributions of Nomisyrruc and Riain as ever, but everyone has come out with some good stuff.

Assuming that WW2 cannot be avoided, the aim is to build up the best possible fleet to be able to fight and win said war (at sea) as soon as possible and as efficiently as possible, Given that future knowledge is allowed, I'd divide the issue into a number of subsidiary ones:

A.) Fleet Size
The peacetime RN cannot necessarily be built up into an 'instant wartime fleet' by 1939, but a lot of the groundwork can be done. I'll use this baseline data as my starting point for discussion:

The RN Naval Standards of 1934–36 (Hyperwar, British War Production Chapter II)

Naval strength required by 1942:
A.) Naval strength 1934
B.) 'D.R.C. standard' 1934–35 (Defence Requirements Sub Committee)
C.) 'Two-power standard' 1935–36

Capital ships
A.) 15
B.) 15
C.) 20

Aircraft carriers
A.) 5
B.) 8
C.) 15

Cruisers
A.) 50
B.) 70
C.)100

Flotillas of destroyers
A.) 9
B.) 16
C.) 22

Submarines
A.) 50
B.) 55
C.) 82

Escort vessels, minesweepers, etc.
A.) 51
B.) 120
C.) 226


The increase in battleships can be accomodated with some planning, whilst the major issues come in aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers and escorts, but these are not insurmountable when spread over ~15 years. I particularly agree with Riain's point on prioritising the big ships in peacetime and putting in place the small ship designs for wartime mass production.

My aim will be to have more destroyers than required under the Two Power Standard, with the V/Ws to be eventually reclassified as escorts.

B.) Fleet Composition

No big changes from the norm here. There will be a principle of using every year to the maximum and getting the most out of the rearmament period when it comes.

I have this from my old files; Nomisyrruc may have a more accurate version, but I think this is around the mark, albeit might be off in some of the 1930s budgets

1923, 58m, 1 submarine
1924, 56m, 5 8in cruisers, 2 destroyers
1925, 61m, 4 8in cruisers
1926, 58m, 3 8in cruisers , 6 submarines
1927, 58m, 1 8in cruiser, 9 destroyers, 6 submarines, 2 sloops
1928, 57m, 9 destroyers, 4 submarines, 4 sloops
1929, 56m, 1 6in cruiser, 5 destroyers, 3 submarines, 4 sloops
1930, 51.7m, 3 6in cruisers, 9 destroyers, 3 submarines, 4 sloops
1931, 51.6m, 3 6in cruisers, 9 destroyers, 3 submarines, 2 sloops, 2 minesweepers
1932, 50.5m, 3 6in cruisers, 9 destroyers, 3 submarines, 2 sloops, 2 minesweepers
1933, 53.6m 3 6in cruisers, 9 destroyers, 3 submarines, 2 sloops, 1 patrol vessel, 2 minesweepers
1934, 56.6m, 1 aircraft carrier, 4 6in cruisers, 9 destroyers, 3 submarines, 2 sloops, 2 patrol vessels, 2 minesweepers.
1935, 60m, 3 6in cruisers, 16 destroyers, 3 submarines, 1 sloops, 2 patrol vessel, 3 minesweepers
1936, 70m, 2 battleships, 2 aircraft carriers, 2 6in cruisers, 5 5.25in cruisers, 18 destroyers, 8 submarines, 2 sloops, 1 patrol vessel, 3 minesweepers
1937, 78.1m, 3 battleships, 2 aircraft carriers, 5 6in cruisers, 2 5.25in cruisers, 15 destroyers, 7 submarines, 3 sloops, 3 patrol vessels, 4 minesweepers.
1938, 93.7m, 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 4 6in cruisers, 3 5.25in cruisers, 3 fast minelayers, 3 submarines, 1 aircraft maintenance ship
1939 69.4m, 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 2 6in cruisers, 1 fast minelayer, 16 destroyers, 20 hunts, 2 sloops, 56 corvettes, 20 minesweepers


Capital Ships:
As of 1923, the useful ships for The Next War are the 5 QEs and the forthcoming Nelson and Rodney. The 5 Rs, being unfortunately deficient compared to their preceding class, will get a shorter frontline life, but as they have been built and paid for and are still relatively new, try to get them modernised to get the most possible out of them. Keeping a rebuilt Tiger as a second class battlecruiser with a view towards heavy escort would allow 4 battlecruisers. That gives 10 ships that can be taken into a war from 1939 plus 5 Rs and Tiger in second line duties but not hopelessly behind as in @. After after rolling rebuilds through the 1930s, this leaves us short of the mark by 10. Anything older than the QEs is going to be gone by the mid 1930s in any event.

The first part of the solution to that comes in a KGV equivalent ready to go down the day that they are allowed under the terms of the WNT and LNT combo; if the latter can be wangled a bit to cut off in 1935 as compared to 1936, all the better. 6 ships of 42,000-45,000t with 9 x 16", 24 x 5", 15" belts and as fast a speed as possible will be the aim there, with long lead in items ordered beforehand to allow for maximised production rates.
Follow up with 6-8 larger Lion class ships, depending on foreign challenges and changes.

Carriers
As said above, built a 24,000t Ark Royal and a sister between 1928 and 1934, then focus design efforts on a 32,000t follow on class with the same large air wing. The aim will be for 12 of these built or building by 1939, plus the earlier pair and a rebuilt Courageous and Glorious for 16* fleet carriers, of which at least 10 will be in service by kick off.
A trade protection design can be commenced in the early 1930s, leaning towards a Majestic class in general dimensions and capacity, whilst a smaller Woolworths/escort carrier design should be prepared over time and gradually start construction in the immediate years before the war.
Get the FAA back and aim for three decent types of monoplane aircraft - a fighter, recce/dive bomber and torpedo bomber

Cruisers
Getting to the 100 mark isn't impossible, but requires a bit of thought. The 1920s will be taken up with County type cruisers, but in the last few years of the decade, start production of an 8000t 8 x 6" Leander analogue. Keep these going at a steady rate to replace the old Towns and earlier Cs as they go.

Town class should be similar to @ size and armament; don't go down for the repeat Towns/Crown Colonies and have the Didos as a 7500-8000t 12 x 5" AA ship

Destroyers
If we know we need them and know the general type, then expedite building the buggers and build them of a decent size, up to the L/M size of the late 1930s as a model. Start with a full flotilla in 1924 then go at 9/year in 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, then 18 a year after that until 1937 or 1938, then accelerate again. The rearmament era budget will be a lot more flexible and allowing for such shifts if the 'norm' is higher.

Escorts
Build sloops regularly through the 1920s, utilising the WNT exception (see below) and start designs for an escort destroyer, frigate and corvette. Roll the latter trio into gradual production from the mid 1930s at 4, 6 and 8/year, then rising
- 67 V/W class destroyers to be reclassified as escort destroyers through the 1930s as replaced in the fleet role by new construction. Together with the 120 interwar sloops outlined below and the initial Hunts (16+), frigates (24) and corvettes (32) and the escort numbers are covered.

C.) Errata
- Keeping armour production and gun pit capacity through the treaty holiday and maintaining necessary slip capacity to accelerate when needed for full rearmament is the challenge of the 1920s
- In terms of the eternal debate beloved of AH and other places on DP secondaries, a choice needs to be made. Future proofing this choice may also be a good notion, given that many of these ships will not be built just for a war and then thrown away, but live on (hopefully). 4.5" and particularly 4.7" gets a lot of love around here, but is a bit small for the longer run and for ASuW. With enough time and the idea of future knowledge, why not just design/copy a 5" gun that can arm frigates and destroyers and provide secondaries for everything bigger, whilst also having commonality with land based HAA mounts? I have a curious liking for 125mm as a ballistic sweet spot, but 127mm does just as fine

I believe that the following is by Mark Bailey:

"With perfect hindsight it is hard to ignore the need for more 300ft, twin screw 20knot escorts early in the war, though having said that it seems pretty clear to me the RN and Dominion navies should have ordered more Sloops – 1930-1936. They are essentially unlimited by the London treaty. Their cost is very low - in the 100-200,000 pounds band. Their main limitation is the dual role minesweeping. This limited their draft – which in turn influenced seakeeping. It also set their power as that required to tow the sweep at 12 knots – which worked out to a top speed of 16.5-17 knots. They dropped the minesweeping role for the Bitterns – added 50% more power for 19knots and produced some pretty useful units – DP AA – asdic – depth charges 1200 tons – but not in enough numbers, and built to warship standards with turbines, not suited to mass production.

Building a full 8 sloop flotilla every year 1930-1936 adds roughly 1 million pounds to each years estimates in terms of construction and repair – as well as spread work through the depressed shipbuilding industry. The end result is over 30 additional ocean going escorts. And there is no need to maintain these additional ship in commission – they can sit in reserve, rotating with the historic ships in commission, foregoing much increase in operating cost.

This leads back to – IMHO – one of the main issues that dogged the RN 1939-1942. Its not the Treaties, its not so much the ten year rule, though the ravages of that were bad – it was rescinded in 1935 and its worse excesses made good 1935-1936 through some supplementary estimates. The worst problem the RN faced between the wars was the drop in its annual estimate from the early mid 20’s plateau of 57-61 million pounds per annum from 1923-1928 (pretty much the Beatty years) through a trough of 1928-1935 with a nadir in 1932 of 50.5 million pounds.

Maintaining the estimates at 57 million pounds through 1928-1935 results in a cumulative additional expenditure of 22 million pounds.

The RN could not do too much more with cruisers and destroyers 1930-1936 because of treaties, but what they could do with this money would include.

* Building a full flotilla of sloops each year – 6 million pounds.
*Avoid economies in cruiser and destroyer programs - 1 million pounds.
*Bring forward the carrier program – laying down Ark Royal in 1931 rather than 1935 – 4 million pounds, to be followed by a second new carrier with the benefit of Ark Royal experience as per historic in the 1934 estimate.
*Building up FAA numbers and aircrew reserves - $? Here – Chatfield roughly costed operational embarked aircraft including replacement, maintenance and operating costs at 15,000 pounds per annum. – prices forming an additional squadron in 31, 33, 34, 35 at 2 million pounds. Aircraft are dear.
* This leaves 9 million pounds that could be spent on modernisation of the battlefleet 1930-1936 – an area where the RN significantly underspent the USN and IJN in this era. The RN spent 1940-41 trying to face off the modern Italian fleet in the Mediterranean using hetrogenious squadrons of battlecruisers, modernised QE’s and unmodernised and desperately slow R class ships, leading to multiple situations were a single ship was exposed and isolate against multiple enemy capital ships with the distant support of an 18knot R with short ranged guns. It’s a bit early for modernisations that incorporate DP armerment – but re-machining to re establish original speeds, modernised horizontal protection, modern directors and fire control and increased main armament elevation are possible – and on roughly 2-2.5 million pounds. At this rate we could fit in another 3-4 reconstructions in the 1930-1936 period – giving the RN are far more capable and homogenous battlefleet by 1940."


Depending on the extent of the foreknowledge, the battlefleet modernisation can be spread out; the cruiser and destroyer plans dealt with and build a full flotilla of sloops every year from 1924 to 1938 for 120 ships ready to go in 1939.
 

Riain

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With perfect hindsight it is hard to ignore the need for more 300ft, twin screw 20knot escorts early in the war, though having said that it seems pretty clear to me the RN and Dominion navies should have ordered more Sloops – 1930-1936.

Yep, this would reduce or eliminate the shit
Flower class and improve the outcomes of engagements with uboats in 1940-41.
 
Wacky ideas:

Butcherize the 5 Revenge class ships for their twenty turrets, along with the 4 turrets left over from the Courageous class conversion that leaves 24 turrets with which to make 6 *Vanguards or 8 *Renowns.

Convert all the Hawkins to carriers and use them to develop tactics for multi-carrier missions.

Bring palletization to the UK.

Enlarge the Royal Marines.

Licence the Gebaur machine gun from Hungary.

Get something like the Mollins gun earlier.

Big fleet base with floating drydock in Aden.
 
Yep, this would reduce or eliminate the shit
Flower class and improve the outcomes of engagements with uboats in 1940-41.
You are taking tonnage out of your already inadequate destroyer budget. Even then the sloops are too big and complex to build rapidly in a wide variety of locations to get the numbers needed. It is why they had to compromise further with the frigates.
 
IIRC there was a Flower class in WW1, the largest of which were the - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabis-class_sloop and they were pretty decent and not too big, but not too small either. Put a 4-inch or 3.7 on that and some MG's or 20mm cannon as well as depth charges, or not even bother with a forward gun and have an ahead throwing weapon for depth charges and have a rear mounted 4/3.7-inch gun instead.

The RN was looking at an ahead throwing weapon in the 20's/30's but decided against it as ASDIC/depthcharges was felt to be enough.

With regards to AA and as an anti-DD armament, the 4.5 is fine, just make sure you've got bagged ammo and shells instead of fixed ones. Also get people to make mockups of the turrets, get some crew in there and have them test it and listen to suggestions. The obsolete idea that the RN sailor can 'rough it' should go. So if you can, on the battleships introduce powered loading/ramming for their 4.5s when they come, then awesome.

Regarding the R's, refit them to the same standard as the Royal Oak which was the most modernised of the class.

With the QE's what you want to aim for at first is a Warspite level refit, to keep their speed up, and then when the DP 4.5's come in, put them in again.

Speak to the Americans about getting the licence for the boiler and condensor cleaner they used, it was basically descaling powder that you'd put into a washing machine or dishwasher today and this cut down on maintenance and was handy as unlike the RN's boilers, you couldn't easily fit a man inside the USN ones to clean them.

I'd keep Fisher's follies and have them modified to be a uniform class, in 1924 they've not gone in yet, so you revise the plans have a full length flight deck and put a bridge on the Furious.

Of lesser use are the Eagle and Hermes, one is too slow, the other too small, in between showing the flag, use them as training ships alongside Argus.

Even though the FAA is to be wrestled from the arms of the RAF, don't burn bridges, instead offer joint development of engines etc and when those 'boffins' start talking about RADAR, give them money and support.

On larger ships (DD and up) you want deisel generators for additional power and emergency power as well and look at for the next generation of Destroyers to go for unit machinery layouts for them like the USN and Italians did, this reduces the engine room from one large, easily flooded space to two smaller ones. Also see if you can do unit Machinery spaces on the cruisers too.

Oh and on your next generation of capital ships (new carriers, cruisers, battleships and refits) hammocks can go away, instead go for proper messing facilities for the crew and sleeping quarters. Again the idea that the RN sailor should rough it beacuse thats how they did it in Nelson's day needs to be dragged outside and shot. You'll also want to invest in heating and cooling for the ships, so if they're in the North atlantic they can keep their crews warm, and on the China station, keep them cool.
 
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Had to google the Gebauer MG, but this would be a good choice for the Army as well, especially with a 12.7mm .5" variant. Palletisation would simplify logistics greatly on all fronts, so I would call these particular ideas all that wacky, especially when you consider the British did experiment with the Gebauer in the 30s. The British also experimented with another Hungarian design, the Kiraly SMG in the late 30s. In both cases they were rejected as overly complex, simplify the Gebauer, and then the Kiraly, and that's the Army's automatic weapons sorted for the entire war.
 
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Looking at the Gebaurer, it seems like an expensive and heavy investment, and answer for a question that's not been asked. What would you use it for? Yes its got a huge ROF but it is bulky, complex and if you put that on a FAA plane, you've got to worry about how it reacts to being slammed into a deck with every landing. The Vickers .50cal is adequate enough, see if you can get them to increase the MV because IIRC the round was quite 'slow', and put 4 of them in your first gen sea hurricanes and then go for 20mm when you can.

Really the Gebaurer is a fantastic bit of kit for the time, but its still far too complex and really a chaingun does not become useful until you get to 20mm or above.
At least for non-Gatling type weapons. The only small calibre gun with external power is the Hughes EX-34 IE the coax on the Warrior and Challenger II which had their problems. On the Warrior it was the faulty electric systems, and on the Challenger the gun mount and optics are badly designed, but the actual failure rate of the gun is one failure for every 50.000 rounds fired, which is far better than most conventional MG's.

But for the time, these are not needed, they're an expensive extravagance.
 
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Would mothballing the World War One S and T class destroyers, and keeping the entire V, W Parker and Shakespeare class destroyers and destroyer leaders be worthwhile, or were they just too small and old? Re-activating the S and T classes would give 120 or so 1000 ton hulls that were capable of 34-36 knots when built. It seems keeping them rather than scrapping them in the 20s and 30s would give escort numbers a leg up. They could be converted to the long range escorts like the V and W classes were.
 
You want to move your carrier building under treaty constraints back imo.

Ark Royal could have been built under the naval treaties at any stage previously and she could have had a sister too under treaty limits. Build in 32 or 33 or build 1 in 28 and one in 33.

I'd be replacing with a 1928 carrier and a 1933 carrier.

2 Ark Royals in 35/36 would hit the time when naval construction infrastructure is at the edge in many ways. Britain was buying Armour Plate from Czecholovakia because of domestic shortages.

While Ark Royal wasn't the most heavily armoured carrier the British ever built moving a carriers worth of armour, secondary guns etc out of the time in which construction infrastructure is under pressure makes a lot of sense. Especially if you are building another one of them.

Was design that became Ark Royal as per OTL Ark Royal at that time....I thought it was more like Glorious and Courageous with an open bow.
 
Would mothballing the World War One S and T class destroyers, and keeping the entire V, W Parker and Shakespeare class destroyers and destroyer leaders be worthwhile, or were they just too small and old? Re-activating the S and T classes would give 120 or so 1000 ton hulls that were capable of 34-36 knots when built. It seems keeping them rather than scrapping them in the 20s and 30s would give escort numbers a leg up. They could be converted to the long range escorts like the V and W classes were.

Or maybe scrap them and use their engines on newer build ships as they've still got a lot of life left in them.
 
Many good suggestions here.
The Royal Navy was crippled by funding, with the funding reversed and some of the critical industries maintained you can achieve alot.
The FAA really needs to be run from the Navy, the way to wreste control back from the RAF would be to point out all the oversea's stations that need aircraft and are at the end of a huge supply chain facilitated by the Navy. Many of those bases need to deal with warships and ships in general come war. So having the FAA supply the aircraft and pilots etc makes sense. With the FAA having a dozen or more overseas bases that need to be supplied with fighters, fighter bombers, recon and torpedo aircraft etc, the FAA will have the funding to get the aircraft it needs.
The Aircraft carriers that are old, slow and small can be kept for training. The Courageous class are compromises but are young enough to be useful. A keel up carrier would be better but having all three built to a uniform specification is ideal.
Shipbuilding, repair and supply need to be improved. Ideally every theatre needs a full capacity dockyard. So for example Malta is to exposed to be the key to the med, instead build Alexandra up with a full dock etc. Singapore is already good. Indian Ocean needs a full dockyard and India needs to begin shipbuilding so it's a good match.
Australia needs shipbuilding and docks on both sides of the country. IE Perth and Sydney both get a Capital Ship (Hood sized) Dock. It is possible for the Dock to be a floating dock and built as a form of keeping the shipyards running. A dozen 50,000 ton Floating Docks spread around the Empire also speeds up refits etc.

The smaller ships of the Navy are essential but also great practice for Dominion's that have not had navies before. For Example India and South Africa could make the sloops or Corvettes being used as training ships. IE a 990 ton warship with 2 shafts and geared steam turbines for approx 4,000 shp. 19 knot with a single 4 in HA/LA and a single 40mm Pom Pom and a few Lewis guns. Mounting depth charges and throwers. 60 to 90 charges. THis warship is designed to Train shipyards.

The Battleships are a huge problem in that HMS Nelson and HMS Rodney are lame ducks speed wise.
The QE class can be modernised to do 25 knots, at the same time as recieving substantial engine, armour and firepower changes.
The R class are slow and not worth a full modernisation, give them cruiser style AA guns just lots more. If time permits scrap them and replace with 8 Battlecruisers.
35,000 ton 6 15 inch guns 30 knots and 20 twin 4.7 or 4.5 with seperate ammo and power ramming etc.
The KGV Class started 2 yrs late and underarmed. Make a Mark 2 15 inch and do three triples. power for 30 knots.

Aircraft Carriers. Build Armoured Carriers but with the Hangar the Armoured deck. ie 2 inch flight deck and 4 inch Hangar Deck. Use Armoured screens to divide Hangar.
Build these rapidly with 2 one year and a single the next. Begin in 1934. Add a requirement to ferry larger aircraft to oversea's stations. ie larger lifts and higher hangar.
Deck edge Lifts are a great idea as the weakpoint of the Flight deck is eliminated.

Cruisers, build all full size. IE no 6 gunned cruisers. stockpile engines and shafts etc to speed production.
 
Part of the OP.
Assume you get around a 10 to 15% larger budget than otl and slightly less moronic politicians as related to at least the 2nd LNT if not 1st LNT.
Re the 2nd LNT.
  • Keeping the aircraft carrier limit at 27,000 tons has been mentioned several times. However, I can't decide whether it would be better to build "Super Illustrious" type ships with larger single hangars or "Super Implacable" type ships with full-length double hangars.
  • Reducing the cruiser limit from 10,000 tons to 8,000 tons hasn't been mentioned. Keep it at 10,000 tons and ships based on the Edinburgh class instead of the Colony class and their successors.
  • And now for the the "Big One". As the OP allows "future knowledge" to be used the American and British intelligence services have a more accurate idea about what the Japanese are up to when the 2nd LNT was being negotiated. As a result the resulting treaty allows capital ships armed with 16-inch guns and displacing up to 45,000 tons from the start.
    • Therefore, 5 Lions were built instead of the King George V class. They would have a secondary armament of sixteen 5.25-inch in Vanguard type turrets or twenty 4.5-inch in Mk II turrets. Furthermore, as I know that the "real world" ships took longer than the planned 3½ years to build and why due to "future knowledge" I'd make sure that the design of the guns and their turrets was ready in time for them to be ordered a year earlier than they were IOTL. The result is that the ALT King George V & Prince of Wales are completed in July 1940 and the ALT Duke of York, Howe and Anson are completed in November 1940, December 1940 & January 1941 respectively.
    • However, for the benefit of the Vanguard fans this version of the 2nd LNT also allows "full-spec" Vanguards to be laid down from 1st January 1937 if that is your desire.
    • Meanwhile, the Americans build 6 Iowa type battleships instead of the North Carolinas and South Dakotas.
  • The TTL version of the 1938 revision of the treaty allows capital ships armed with 18-inch guns and displacing up to 60,000 tons because the American and British intelligence services discover the exact specifications of the Yamato class towards the end of 1937.
    • This may lead to the 6 Montana type battleships being laid down instead of the OTL Iowas. It might lead to 3 Montana type ships being laid down instead of the Alaskas or failing that 3 additional Iowas are laid down instead of the Alaskas.
    • It might also lead to a "Super Lion" armed with sixteen 16-inch guns being designed instead of the OTL Lion class. Regardless of whether Lion and Temeraire were laid down as standard Lions or as "Super Lions" construction would continue due to the UK being able to build more warships because of all the extra naval shipbuilding since 1923 ITTL.
    • However, it's probable that the OTL Vanguard wouldn't be built if Lion and Temeraire were completed. An additional Audacious or even a Malta would have been built instead.
  • Though, come to think of it if the "future knowledge" allowed in the OP is unlimited then I'd know that aircraft carriers would make battleships obsolete in the early 1940s (except at night or in bad weather, but the earlier invention of radar ITTL would mitigate that somewhat). So I'd lay down 7 aircraft carriers 1937-39 instead of the 7 battleships laid down IOTL and I'd also keep the second 1938 and 1939 carriers. That would make a total of fifteen 27,000 ton aircraft carriers laid down 1937-39 in place of the six 23,000 ton aircraft carriers and 7 battleships laid down in that period IOTL.
 
Would mothballing the World War One S and T class destroyers, and keeping the entire V, W Parker and Shakespeare class destroyers and destroyer leaders be worthwhile, or were they just too small and old? Re-activating the S and T classes would give 120 or so 1000 ton hulls that were capable of 34-36 knots when built. It seems keeping them rather than scrapping them in the 20s and 30s would give escort numbers a leg up. They could be converted to the long range escorts like the V and W classes were.
Keeping more S & T class destroyers and converting them to escort vessels has been suggested before (I was one of the people that suggested it) and it's been proved to be a bad idea. IIRC their boilers were worn out and the cost of fitting new boilers plus the other costs involved in the conversion meant new ships would have been no more expensive. Plus there's the cost of maintaining them in reserve. Also according to Lenton and College 36 R class and 44 S class were scrapped between the wars which would have given 80 hulls instead of 120 or so if they had been retained.

6 Parker class were in existence at the POD and IOTL they were scrapped between 1926 and 1935. As you wrote they're too old to be worth keeping any longer especially as we have more money to spend on new construction and the 1st LNT is likely to be less restrictive.

Only 5 V class, one W class and 2 Shakespeare class were scrapped between the wars which is a total of 8 ships of which 6 were scrapped while the 1st LNT was in force and the remainder were discarded 1937-38. I don't know why they were scrapped. It could have been to keep within the limits of the 1st LNT but the RN kept more than a few cruisers and destroyers that should have been scrapped by the end of 1936 IOTL to remain within the Treaty's tonnage quotas so it could have been due to them being unfit for further service. (See edit.) OTOH if that was the case and we've more money ITTL it might be possible to refit them.

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The tonnage quotas for cruisers and destroyers in the 1st LNT didn't have to be met until 31st December 1936. That allowed the RN to keep some of the ships that should have been scrapped by that date because they hadn't been scrapped before the quotas became a "dead letter" due to the negotiating of the 2nd LNT.
 
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I'd say build within their means, to go to a super lion etc would require expansion of docks, drydocks etc all of which drives up costs. Ideally you'd want a somewhat enlarged Lion, with extra generators aboard for additional power generation and space for radar but not yet installed.

RE CV's if you have the full 27k tons, go for an enlarged Implaccable.
 
I'd say build within their means, to go to a super lion etc would require expansion of docks, drydocks etc all of which drives up costs. Ideally you'd want a somewhat enlarged Lion, with extra generators aboard for additional power generation and space for radar but not yet installed.
I'd second that.
It is about keeping the things simple and indeed within the means, both budgetary and of what the industry can actually make in a timely manner. More of good ships is a better bet than striving for a few white elephants.
 
More of good ships is a better bet than striving for a few white elephants.
FWIW my interpretation of the RN's building policy was that quantity was more important than quality. That is ships had to be fit for purpose, but they had to be cheap enough to be built in the numbers it required. So yes I agree. However, I think that this policy resulted in several "unforced errors" such as having the aircraft carrier and cruiser tonnage limits reduced in the 2nd LNT.
 
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